UAL MEC (daddy) has to warn pilots (children) to stop denying j.s. to jetblue pilots

[bestpilot]

Geeze, lighten up man.

You didn't give any details of the sort and so you call someone an a$$.

Rrriigghht......ops agent gave him a copy of the release.


You need to step away from the computer for a while.

I think that Taz Man and Ty have like some kind of special relationship where they like kind of banter back and forth, like I used to do with my ex-wife. Now it's like so cool watching Ty and Taz do their thing.

The Ty guy seems to be a pretty straight shooter, even to the point where he's making fun of his own Air Tranny, so I'm thinking you callin him a liar is basically way bad Kharma.

Dude, stop the negative, and have a cold one.

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

It a shame that something like this has to happen. But there is an attitude about this by a small few, not only at UA, but elsewhere. Just look at the Mailbag in the April '05 issue of Air Line Pilot. The FedEx F/O was right on until his last sentence. These dinosaurs need to realize that regardless of who we work for, we're all in this together.

BTW, You all are more than welcome on the 158 (160 for CASS) jumpseats on my plane. One word of advice, the headsets work OK, but you might want to bring your own for really good sound quality while watching TV or, coming soon, listening to XM radio.

 

[Ty Webb]

I did see the release. I also saw the rental car receipt. The guy was trying to go from MEM to LIT.

And as for the charming TAZ Spaz, I thought you were on my Ignore list, too. You and Snake were cellmates. Don't know what happened. Maybe you made bail.

 

[klhoard]

. . <snip>. . Just look at the Mailbag in the April '05 issue of Air Line Pilot. . . .<snip>. .

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Whatcha doing reading THAT magazine??
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[Ty Webb]

The real question is:

Would it be considered a work of fiction, non-fiction, or fantasy?

 

[IB6 UB9]

After posting earlier, I just want to make clear that I use NWA a lot and have had far more good experiences than bad, and frequently get an upgrade when one is available. The majority of the crews are always very professional and my sincere thanks for transporting me every week back and forth to work.

However, as I stated earlier, there are a few that have it in their heads that the pilots at the company I work for now have a hand in the degradation of their job and subsequent qualities of life. All this has been beat to death in other threads; not going there. Can't really understand the logic though.

 

[habubuaza]

Yeah I can say that NWA is very gracious with their jumpseats out of FL. The crews are really nice and accomodating. I try to avoid United, unless I absolutely have no other choice. The best jumpseat experience was always TWA back in the days. If you jumpseat on TWA you almost felt like you actually bought a first class seat because they treated you so well... Those days are gone.

 

[TAZ MAN]

I did see the release. I also saw the rental car receipt. The guy was trying to go from MEM to LIT.

And as for the charming TAZ Spaz, I thought you were on my Ignore list, too. You and Snake were cellmates. Don't know what happened. Maybe you made bail.

I'm trying to remember the last time I showed someone a rental car receipt for any reason. Why would someone do that. hmmmm.

I think your full of crap.

 

[bestpilot]

I'm trying to remember the last time I showed someone a rental car receipt for any reason. Why would someone do that. hmmmm.

I think your full of crap.

Maybe dude was like completely miffed that he had to rent a car so he decided to like show all his boys the receipt so they would know he wasn't like making it up or something. Dude, I'm thinkin its sounds pretty believeable. Why such the negative energy dude, I don't think its that radical of a thing to happen. The driving distance kinda like makes me believe it. It's not like dude drove from MEM to LAX or something. Cmon Taz Man, my brother from another mother, lighten up and have a brew dogg

 

[yaks]

"These dinosaurs need to realize that regardless of who we work for, we're all in this together."

We were all in this together until Jetblue decided to hire contract crews to fill their pilot seats. If you are so desperate for a flying job to sign away any leverage you may have had with management you don't belong on the js at another airline. Anyone but JB on the js.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Maybe dude was like completely miffed that he had to rent a car so he decided to like show all his boys the receipt so they would know he wasn't like making it up or something. Dude, I'm thinkin its sounds pretty believeable. Why such the negative energy dude, I don't think its that radical of a thing to happen. The driving distance kinda like makes me believe it. It's not like dude drove from MEM to LAX or something. Cmon Taz Man, my brother from another mother, lighten up and have a brew dogg

Why are you telling only me to lighten up. I started this by saying that this "dude" should have taken a different approach than going into another airlines chief pilots office to complain about one of their pilots. Then Ty calls me an ass. I stick up for myself and you tell me to chill.

Quite frankly I don't get it.

Never -the- less I think Ty is full of crap.

 

[buttercup]

Why are you telling only me to lighten up. I started this by saying that this "dude" should have taken a different approach than going into another airlines chief pilots office to complain about one of their pilots. Then Ty calls me an ass. I stick up for myself and you tell me to chill.

Quite frankly I don't get it.

Never -the- less I think Ty is full of crap.[/

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At least Jetblue doesnt hire pilots with 500 hours to fulfill a quota!!

 

[airbaker]

Yeah I can say that NWA is very gracious with their jumpseats out of FL. The crews are really nice and accomodating. I try to avoid United, unless I absolutely have no other choice. The best jumpseat experience was always TWA back in the days. If you jumpseat on TWA you almost felt like you actually bought a first class seat because they treated you so well... Those days are gone.

I'm with ya on that!

My best jumpseat experience was heading home from JFK to LAX on a TWA 767 several years back. After completing a typical 5 leg, 14 hour day, I just wanted to crawl into a seat, any seat, and get some much needed rest on my ride home. I walked into this large cockpit and politely waited for the crew to finish up a checklist so that I could ask for a ride home.

Imagine the most curmudgeonly, silver-haired Captain that you can think of, turning around from his Captain's seat with the biggest snarl on his face. After looking at me from top to bottom he says, "there's no way in h#ll you're riding my jumpseat looking like that!" I sheepishly looked down at my uniform, thinking I'd left a big stain from the Chinese food that I had scarfed down on the last leg in. Realizing that I still looked presentable, I was just about to tuck my tail between my legs and bow out, hoping to catch the next transcon home when he finishes his statement with, "The only way your riding my jumpseat is if you take off those stupid epaulets!....you can't drink a tall cold one in uniform son!" With that he called the purser into the cockpit and introduced me, insisting that they hold a 1st class seat open for me. The purser was wonderful too, (a striking woman in her 50's) and she proceeded to wine and dine me all the way across the country. You could really tell she had tremendous pride in the service she provided. The Captain even came back on a couple of breaks to make sure I was comfortable and "enjoying a cold one".

That memory stays with me to this day, pilots taking care of pilots. I'll never forget that hospitality, nor will I ever let politics or personal feelings obstruct the jumpseat.

 

[skykid]

These dinosaurs need to realize that regardless of who we work for, we're all in this together.

Maybe the "dinosaurs" are at least smart enough to realize we aren't all in this together. Pilots have always been their own worst enemies. In 5 years when the guy from New Shiny Jet airliner making 70k as a bus Captain says, "We're all in this together," see if you agree.

 

[VaB]

The FedEx F/O was right on until his last sentence.

Why is that? What's the matter with treating non members in a way that they have come to expect and deserve? I'm sure in his article he was referring to pilots that don't belong to their unions, and not pilots at airlines that are not unionized.

 

[NTS ALL 4]

If you are so desperate for a flying job to sign away any leverage you may have had with management you don't belong on the js at another airline. Anyone but JB on the js.

Obviously, you have never been furloughed or been without a flying job for an extended period of time. I hope you never have to live on an unemployment paycheck like most of us have in the last 4 - 5 years. You probably will the way the industry is headed now. Good luck if you do! Remember, you're not an airline pilot if you haven't been furloughed at least once in your career.

 

[Resume Writer]

I'm with ya on that!

My best jumpseat experience was heading home from JFK to LAX on a TWA 767 several years back. After completing a typical 5 leg, 14 hour day, I just wanted to crawl into a seat, any seat, and get some much needed rest on my ride home. I walked into this large cockpit and politely waited for the crew to finish up a checklist so that I could ask for a ride home.

Imagine the most curmudgeonly, silver-haired Captain that you can think of, turning around from his Captain's seat with the biggest snarl on his face. After looking at me from top to bottom he says, "there's no way in h#ll you're riding my jumpseat looking like that!" I sheepishly looked down at my uniform, thinking I'd left a big stain from the Chinese food that I had scarfed down on the last leg in. Realizing that I still looked presentable, I was just about to tuck my tail between my legs and bow out, hoping to catch the next transcon home when he finishes his statement with, "The only way your riding my jumpseat is if you take off those stupid epaulets!....you can't drink a tall cold one in uniform son!" With that he called the purser into the cockpit and introduced me, insisting that they hold a 1st class seat open for me. The purser was wonderful too, (a striking woman in her 50's) and she proceeded to wine and dine me all the way across the country. You could really tell she had tremendous pride in the service she provided. The Captain even came back on a couple of breaks to make sure I was comfortable and "enjoying a cold one".

That memory stays with me to this day, pilots taking care of pilots. I'll never forget that hospitality, nor will I ever let politics or personal feelings obstruct the jumpseat.

Very cool story!

There are still some nice FA's left out there. I used to always take care of my jumpseaters, as most times I was working first class. I especially took care of those getting a ride home on the nite flites. Nothing worse than being dog tired - you know - so tired you cannot even sleep. I would make sure they had a couple of pillows and plenty of blankets (get's cold in F/C section), I would always bring cookies to make for my first class pax because there was no food on the nite flites, and give those to the jumpseaters as well.

Kathy

 

[Andy]

There are a few bad apples in every company.

When I flew for a sched charter operation, I was treated like gold every time I tried to jumpseat. And I second Airbaker's comment that TWA was THE BEST to jumpseat on. In fact, they were the very first airline that I jumpseated on. I never had any problems with any company, including United. A couple of times at United, pilots wrote passes to free up the jumpseat for me.

Things changed a bit when I got hired and flew for United. The offline crews were professional, but not as friendly as when I flew for the sched charter op. I was only denied a jumpseat once, and that was by a United pilot on United metal with me as a United employee (it was post-911 and I had lost my medical certificate; I was waiting on the replacement. He denied me because I didn't have the medical certificate. Screw the fact that I had my employee ID and pilot license, and was based out of the originating domicile of the flight. What a prick; I make no excuses for those pilots at United who deny jumpseats).

In my time flying for United, there were many offline jumpseaters on my flights. I never saw any captain that I flew with deny a jumpseat or give a political lecture to the person asking for a jumpseat. I can remember one point where it was very contentious with the UAL/U merger, and a U express pilot came up to ask for the jumpseat. The captain wasn't in the cockpit, and the express pilot did everything he could to hide that he was feeder for U. I told him no worries, he wouldn't be denied the jumpseat.

I flew out of ORD to DCA a few weeks ago as a nonrev (I can't jumpseat any more because I'm not flying for an airline). There was an Independence
Air pilot trying to jumpseat into DCA because all of the IAD flights were packed. It just so happened to be a flight where United's computer system took a crap, and the jumpseater did not have the proper paperwork to jumpseat. I went into the cockpit to grease the skids before the CSR and jumpseater arrived. The captain balked a bit due to not being able to confirm the jumpseater's status. However, by the time that the CSR and jumpseater got there, the pilot decided to take him.
Now if there is one company that I (and many other UAL pilots) hate, it's Independence Air. I don't like the way that they flipped us the bird during some of UAL's darkest hours. Everyone took cuts; unfortunately, United had to ask everyone to take less in order for United to stay afloat. But I'm going off on thread drift.

To any offline jumpseaters who were denied the jumpseat by a United captain, my sincerest apologies. Every company has a few bad apples, even the company that you work for.

 

[Spur]

Why is that? What's the matter with treating non members in a way that they have come to expect and deserve?

Do whatever your conscience holds you to do. Do you want to keep people in lockstep with you by fear? Fear of losing a jumpseat? There's a term for that. In the end, I for one hope never to get what I truly deserve, and I hope you don't either.

 

[dojetdriver]

Now if there is one company that I (and many other UAL pilots) hate, it's Independence Air. I don't like the way that they flipped us the bird during some of UAL's darkest hours. Everyone took cuts; unfortunately, United had to ask everyone to take less in order for United to stay afloat. But I'm going off on thread drift.

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Dude, get the F#$k over it, your company gave ACA/ I-Air the bird just as much as they gave Ual the bird. Educate your dumb a$$ on the facts before you post crap like this. It's been said many times before here but apparantly it needs to be said here again for the ignorant people like you.

Read carefully;

Had ACA/ I-Air resinged with UAL, they would be about 2/3 to 1/2 the size they were because YOUR company (UAL) would have split the flying to Mesa/Chautauqua and whoever else was able to do it cheaper (ie; lowereing the bar) than ACA.

UAL was willing to f#$k ACA just as much as ACA wanted to tell UAL to get f#$ked. It's called business, deal with it.

Why this crap works it self into the JS is beyond me.

The point is, who cares who anybody works for, extend them the freaking courtesy of the JS, they earned it regardless of inter-airline politics.

You used the word "hate" in your post there candidate. Harboring hatred is usually a sign of somebody that has sub-standard character. Maybe you should re-read the original memo from your jumpseat guy about the problems at your company and who is really to "blame" for the woes of any UAL employee, then decide who you "hate" more.

If you want to make some counter point about the issue, go ahead. I guess you "hate" Jetblue just as much as I-Air and all this does is lump you into the pile of "children" at UAL who apparantly "hate" Jetblue pilots and are denying them a ride on the JS.

Cheers b1tch