UAL Liquidation?

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i feel terrible

 

[Colonel Savage]

You sold out to save your own in a de-regulated airline world. It's that simple- funny how the 'right' believes in absolutes- but can't take responsibility for this.

Your generation sold out when you took the job. You didn't really think you could borrow the easy money, attend the academies, and fly the replacement jet for pennies on the dollar and have everything work out fine in the end, did you?

Seemed too good to be true didn't it?

 

[waveflyer]

the academies, huh? By that standard- every person who ever attended college and got a degree is some sort of sell out.

I chose a career. You act like it was my decision to outsource jets. Was that the case? Did my generation want, as an end goal, to fly RJ's? 90% of us simply chose a career, trained hard for it, and want to fly for a major airline. We've had no vote in outsourcing ever.

So, nice try. Keep ducking your responsibility. I don't duck mine- i've been at my major for some time now- And i will not support outsourcing. It's that simple. I'm not here to blame you- more than get you to realize the damage you do to EVERYONE's career when you concede to outsourcing routes that were yours. Including your own. I hope you see the pressure that outsourcing puts on your own wages.

Regional pilots are dis-enfranchised. Decisions get made by major airline pilots that affect their career- yet they get NO VOTE. If their own unions ever get too strong- flying is simply transferred to a weaker group.

Major airline pilots are the only ones who can solve this.

 

[b19]

Age 65 and a global slowdown has created a horrible situation for pilots; an oversupply with no jobs and no reason for management to properly value experience. Something should be done now to have the long term effect of making the testing and experience requirements such that we are not ever again faced with an oversupply of cheap labor, otherwise we as pilots will never get off this roller coaster ride of boom and bust. Restrict the supply just like the diamond companies, and we will all have better jobs.

No multicrew, just a JAA style ATP exam. Do it now while there is an oversupply of pilots, because no one will care, and ten years from now we will be better off.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

since amr,cal, soon to be ual contracts are open why don't we all just strike at once??? Just shut it down.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Your generation sold out when you took the job. You didn't really think you could borrow the easy money, attend the academies, and fly the replacement jet for pennies on the dollar and have everything work out fine in the end, did you?

Seemed too good to be true didn't it?

You vote by 60% plus margins to give your flying away and then blame those that take the jobs YOU gave away? Talking about hypocrisy

 

[Turtle21]

Your exactly right...what is your point?

How can you say someone is "exactly right" if you're unaware of their point?:cartman:

 

[Turtle21]

I have to throw the BS flag here Mr. aaflyer. I realize that SWAPA is the most influential pilot organization around but...

You all have to admit that once alpo got on board, age 65 was a done deal. Quit blaming SWAPA.

Even if SWAPA started the age 65 thing it is ALPO's fault. If the ALPO clowns had established a national seniority list there never would have been a need for legitimate unions.

 

[800Dog]

You vote by 60% plus margins to give your flying away and then blame those that take the jobs YOU gave away? Talking about hypocrisy

And my pilot group is as guilty as any out there. Remember our "line in the sand" at 70 seats? Delta guys keep giving it away!

 

[Colonel Savage]

You vote by 60% plus margins to give your flying away and then blame those that take the jobs YOU gave away? Talking about hypocrisy

I always voted NO on every concessionary T/A placed before me.

 

[Sandhawk]

I always voted NO on every concessionary T/A placed before me.

You know, even though a concessionary TA passes, you can never find one person that voted "yes".........

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[Colonel Savage]

You know, even though a concessionary TA passes, you can never find one person that voted "yes".........

imp:

What's your point?