UAL/CAL/AMR/USAIR/DELTA Retirements

[relief tube]

anything that costs you hundreds of thousands of dollars or around 3 years of your life is hard to get over.

LOL twice. Good call. Not to mention many on the street now partially due to it.

 

[Ex737Driver]

......How do your guys loads look like two Germany from IAH or EWR in August? I'm going to visit friends and figured I'd ride fore free.

How's you mom going to come with if you ride for free?

 

[Dan Roman]

Yeah, and how well did your f-d up generation handle it? I took the time to read Flying the Line. Threats, intimidation, vandalism, unsafe behavior at the controls? Suicides even? I think you're the one leaving out the details. Apart from FI.com, this generation of marginalized pilots has handled adversity far better than yours did.

The Prussian pointed out the reality of the times that effected everyone, you simply cherry picked isolated incidents to try and make your point.
Every generation makes mistakes. Every generation makes improvements over the previous generation. They have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
You can find good or bad out of any generation. You seem really wrapped around the axel with needing to point fingers and blame. The reality is, of all the "younger" pilots I know, very few are as upset about age 65 as you appear to be. Most are very pragmatic about it and don't let it eat them up inside like you seem to be doing.
We all chose aviation as career, more than most careers, adversity happens, it's all about how you handle it. Getting emotional and flipping out over something you don't like simply means you are prone to being a weak link.

 

[KNOTS]

Here are the number I have from 2007. I guess ad the 5 years. Thats a lot of retirements considering there are only 5100 pilots now.

Retirements
Year / East / West / Cumulative
2007 / 228 / 43 / 271
2008 / 177 / 46 / 494
2009 / 232 / 47 / 773
2010 / 194 / 52 / 1019
2011 / 246 / 44 / 1309
2012 / 267 / 65 / 1641
2013 / 283 / 51 / 1975
2014 / 289 / 77 / 2341
2015 / 289 / 69 / 2699
2016 / 292 / 68 / 3059
2017 / 255 / 66 / 3380
2018 / 261 / 85 / 3726
2019 / 209 / 78 / 4013
2020 / 222 / 88 / 4323
2021 / 168 / 90 / 4581
2022 / 165 / 94 / 4840
2023 / 148 / 77 / 5065
2024 / 118 / 92 / 5275
2025 / 97 / 94 / 5466
2026 / 103 / 77 / 5646
2027 / 109 / 68 / 5823

Edited because I'm a retard, tommy should hit me on the head with a tack hammer.

man that's a lot of retirements considering the size of that airline.

 

[Flopgut]

The Prussian pointed out the reality of the times that effected everyone, you simply cherry picked isolated incidents to try and make your point.
Every generation makes mistakes. Every generation makes improvements over the previous generation. They have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
You can find good or bad out of any generation. You seem really wrapped around the axel with needing to point fingers and blame. The reality is, of all the "younger" pilots I know, very few are as upset about age 65 as you appear to be. Most are very pragmatic about it and don't let it eat them up inside like you seem to be doing.
We all chose aviation as career, more than most careers, adversity happens, it's all about how you handle it. Getting emotional and flipping out over something you don't like simply means you are prone to being a weak link.

You can't be a student of this industry/profession and not be critical of your generation. Period. There is no way you can disagree with that. I spend a considerable amount of my own time and money trying to help my fellow pilots. Regardless of age and seniority. Your generation is a bottomless pit. You've gleaned the field and contributed nearly nothing. Why don't you go find a few pilots from the generation that preceeded yours and ask them, since you are skeptical of my generation, what they might think of you and yours? Do you even have to wonder? Because I don't.

Prussian mouthed off and he was totally off base. You are too. This profession is going to get fixed. But it won't be a baby boomer that does it. My generation will leave it better than we got it.

 

[contrail67]

These were based on Age 60. Add 5 years....

[FONT=&quot]2007 - 263[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2008 - 235[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2009 - 231[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2010 - 201[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2011 - 167[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2012 - 228[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2013 - 246[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2014 - 239[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2015 - 271[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2016 - 330[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2017 - 305[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2018 - 383[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2019 - 356[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2020 - 461[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2021 - 508[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2022 - 503[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2023 - 574[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2025 - 539[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2026 - 561[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2027 – 407[/FONT]

When we were hot and heavy about merging the first time around, I saw some projections at a union meeting for retirements at both airlines. If I'm not mistaken, if you plotted our retirements by year on a X-Y type axis, they looked like two sine waves almost 180 degrees out of phase, meaning our higher retirement years would offset your lower retirement years and vice versa.

Alot of the reason it looks like a sine wave is because the size of each airline...basically, by 2031...UAL retires 7008 pilots and CAL will retire 3377 or so...less retirements by CAL but UAL will retire everyone.
That does not take into consideration early outs or medicals.....Unless someone creates a non-aging pill....there will be great opportunities in the future...

 

[Mike man]

Curious, Why would your high school dean be talking about a pilot shortage during orientation?

We didn't go to an all boys gay high school with a dean...most of us went to a regular high school with a principal, so using simple logic (which you seem to be missing) we can all deduce that he was referring to his college orientation, which with simple logic you can deduce that colleges almost always has an orientation for freshmen, while high schools almost almost never have freshman orientation (unless of course it is you all boys gay prep high school).

 

[COOPERVANE]

This message is hidden because Browntothebone is on your ignore list.

go to your CP or control panel settings, and look on the left side you will see "edit ignore list" click that and type his name. Then select OK

I really does make a great difference. I don't like suppressing differing opinions. I really want to listen to people I might not normally agree with.

Since 1997, I have stumbled on a very few such as hellonewman and BTTB, that contribute nothing. They are pot stirrers who post flame and then sit back with glee and watch the fireworks start.

They are that .5% that like to pull fire alarms. You can spot them at the back of the crowd masturbating.

 

[BrickTop]

Edited because I'm a retard, tommy should hit me on the head with a tack hammer.

man that's a lot of retirements considering the size of that airline.

Sadly those jobs will not likely be replaced by mainline pilots. Best we can hope for is regional growth with Mainline pay.

 

[Mr.B]

I'm sure I missed out on some good times, but I've had a much better time accruing seniority at my major that I would have wasted by going to collage.

Collage. Holy cow...whats this world coming to.