UAL/CAL/AMR/USAIR/DELTA Retirements

[Diesel-9]

well said. there are lots of opportunites in life if you have an open mind.

And many will be more lucrative in the long run.

 

[SRJ]

To the old, self righteous senior pilots trying to tell younger guys how it use to be: F Off.

Gas was also under $1, milk was cheap and your dollar went farther.

It's called progression; it has made your lives easier.

Get a life, go hang with your family since you are so wise and get off FI if you don't want to hear it.

....and get out of my captn seat.

 

[The Prussian]

Gas was also under $1, milk was cheap and your dollar went farther.

No....not quite...massive furloughs, Arab oil embargo, gas lines, runaway inflation, and mortgage rates of between 11.5% and 15%. And then came Frank Lorenzo. Other than these few minor details, you about nailed it.

 

[instructordude]

To the old, self righteous senior pilots trying to tell younger guys how it use to be: F Off.

Gas was also under $1, milk was cheap and your dollar went farther.

It's called progression; it has made your lives easier.

Get a life, go hang with your family since you are so wise and get off FI if you don't want to hear it.

....and get out of my captn seat.

Upgrade is not a guarantee nor a right. It is earned. Get you use to the age change it is the Law.

 

[Flopgut]

No....not quite...massive furloughs, Arab oil embargo, gas lines, runaway inflation, and mortgage rates of between 11.5% and 15%. Other than these few minor details, you about nailed it.

Yeah, and how well did your f-d up generation handle it? I took the time to read Flying the Line. Threats, intimidation, vandalism, unsafe behavior at the controls? Suicides even? I think you're the one leaving out the details. Apart from FI.com, this generation of marginalized pilots has handled adversity far better than yours did.

 

[Ex737Driver]

.....Get you use to the age change it is the Law.

Huh? Sounds like your limited 7-11 vocabulary has reached it's maximum output. What's wrong? Slurpee machine on the blink again?

 

[instructordude]

Huh? Sounds like your limited 7-11 vocabulary has reached it's maximum output. What's wrong? Slurpee machine on the blink again?

Thanks for the ride the other day!

I worked at a Burger King not at a 7-11. Good guess though.

How do your guys loads look like two Germany from IAH or EWR in August? I'm going to visit friends and figured I'd ride fore free.

 

[aircombat]

It was an outrageous racial discrimination event.

Really I didn’t know he was arrested because he was black I thought it was because of disorderly conduct? Police arrive on every scene as though everyone is a suspect. It’s a basic survival technique. I’ve had them do it to me before even though I didn’t do anything wrong. Like I said it’s for their own survival not a race thing and even though it may come off as though they are too aggressive at times I can’t blame them because I would do the same if my life was at stake. If you try to confront their advances you will get arrested no matter what color you are. Deal with it.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Upgrade is not a guarantee nor a right. It is earned. Get you use to the age change it is the Law.

That's it...you're blocked

 

[Trogdor]

Anyone have the hard numbers for US? I remember hearing that it was around 25-35 a month beginning in 2013, but I don't have the list in front of me to verify.

 

[abefly]

Anyone have the hard numbers for US? I remember hearing that it was around 25-35 a month beginning in 2013, but I don't have the list in front of me to verify.

Here are the number I have from 2007. I guess ad the 5 years. Thats a lot of retirements considering there are only 5100 pilots now.

Retirements
Year / East / West / Cumulative
2007 / 228 / 43 / 271
2008 / 177 / 46 / 494
2009 / 232 / 47 / 773
2010 / 194 / 52 / 1019
2011 / 246 / 44 / 1309
2012 / 267 / 65 / 1641
2013 / 283 / 51 / 1975
2014 / 289 / 77 / 2341
2015 / 289 / 69 / 2699
2016 / 292 / 68 / 3059
2017 / 255 / 66 / 3380
2018 / 261 / 85 / 3726
2019 / 209 / 78 / 4013
2020 / 222 / 88 / 4323
2021 / 168 / 90 / 4581
2022 / 165 / 94 / 4840
2023 / 148 / 77 / 5065
2024 / 118 / 92 / 5275
2025 / 97 / 94 / 5466
2026 / 103 / 77 / 5646
2027 / 109 / 68 / 5823

 

[Green]

Here are the number I have from 2007. I guess ad the 5 years. Thats a lot of retirements considering there are only 5100 pilots now.

Retirements
Year / East / West / Cumulative
2007 / 228 / 43 / 271
2008 / 177 / 46 / 494
2009 / 232 / 47 / 773
2010 / 194 / 52 / 1019
2011 / 246 / 44 / 1309
2012 / 267 / 65 / 1641
2013 / 283 / 51 / 1975
2014 / 289 / 77 / 2341
2015 / 289 / 69 / 2699
2016 / 292 / 68 / 3059
2017 / 255 / 66 / 3380
2018 / 261 / 85 / 3726
2019 / 209 / 78 / 4013
2020 / 222 / 88 / 4323
2021 / 168 / 90 / 4581
2022 / 165 / 94 / 4840
2023 / 148 / 77 / 5065
2024 / 118 / 92 / 5275
2025 / 97 / 94 / 5466
2026 / 103 / 77 / 5646
2027 / 109 / 68 / 5823

Do you have the numbers beyond 2027?

 

[weasel_lips]

I'm sure I missed out on some good times, but I've had a much better time accruing seniority at my major that I would have wasted by going to collage.

Collage? hahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[Captain X]

It's the law get over it.

It's called punctuation. Learn to use it.

 

[Trogdor]

Here are the number I have from 2007. I guess ad the 5 years. Thats a lot of retirements considering there are only 5100 pilots now.

Thanks, and actually there are 5275 pilots at US. Not that much of a difference I know, but just trying to keep the facts straight.

 

[relief tube]

anything that costs you hundreds of thousands of dollars or around 3 years of your life is hard to get over.

LOL twice. Good call. Not to mention many on the street now partially due to it.

 

[Ex737Driver]

......How do your guys loads look like two Germany from IAH or EWR in August? I'm going to visit friends and figured I'd ride fore free.

How's you mom going to come with if you ride for free?

 

[Dan Roman]

Yeah, and how well did your f-d up generation handle it? I took the time to read Flying the Line. Threats, intimidation, vandalism, unsafe behavior at the controls? Suicides even? I think you're the one leaving out the details. Apart from FI.com, this generation of marginalized pilots has handled adversity far better than yours did.

The Prussian pointed out the reality of the times that effected everyone, you simply cherry picked isolated incidents to try and make your point.
Every generation makes mistakes. Every generation makes improvements over the previous generation. They have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
You can find good or bad out of any generation. You seem really wrapped around the axel with needing to point fingers and blame. The reality is, of all the "younger" pilots I know, very few are as upset about age 65 as you appear to be. Most are very pragmatic about it and don't let it eat them up inside like you seem to be doing.
We all chose aviation as career, more than most careers, adversity happens, it's all about how you handle it. Getting emotional and flipping out over something you don't like simply means you are prone to being a weak link.

 

[KNOTS]

Here are the number I have from 2007. I guess ad the 5 years. Thats a lot of retirements considering there are only 5100 pilots now.

Retirements
Year / East / West / Cumulative
2007 / 228 / 43 / 271
2008 / 177 / 46 / 494
2009 / 232 / 47 / 773
2010 / 194 / 52 / 1019
2011 / 246 / 44 / 1309
2012 / 267 / 65 / 1641
2013 / 283 / 51 / 1975
2014 / 289 / 77 / 2341
2015 / 289 / 69 / 2699
2016 / 292 / 68 / 3059
2017 / 255 / 66 / 3380
2018 / 261 / 85 / 3726
2019 / 209 / 78 / 4013
2020 / 222 / 88 / 4323
2021 / 168 / 90 / 4581
2022 / 165 / 94 / 4840
2023 / 148 / 77 / 5065
2024 / 118 / 92 / 5275
2025 / 97 / 94 / 5466
2026 / 103 / 77 / 5646
2027 / 109 / 68 / 5823

Edited because I'm a retard, tommy should hit me on the head with a tack hammer.

man that's a lot of retirements considering the size of that airline.

 

[Flopgut]

The Prussian pointed out the reality of the times that effected everyone, you simply cherry picked isolated incidents to try and make your point.
Every generation makes mistakes. Every generation makes improvements over the previous generation. They have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
You can find good or bad out of any generation. You seem really wrapped around the axel with needing to point fingers and blame. The reality is, of all the "younger" pilots I know, very few are as upset about age 65 as you appear to be. Most are very pragmatic about it and don't let it eat them up inside like you seem to be doing.
We all chose aviation as career, more than most careers, adversity happens, it's all about how you handle it. Getting emotional and flipping out over something you don't like simply means you are prone to being a weak link.

You can't be a student of this industry/profession and not be critical of your generation. Period. There is no way you can disagree with that. I spend a considerable amount of my own time and money trying to help my fellow pilots. Regardless of age and seniority. Your generation is a bottomless pit. You've gleaned the field and contributed nearly nothing. Why don't you go find a few pilots from the generation that preceeded yours and ask them, since you are skeptical of my generation, what they might think of you and yours? Do you even have to wonder? Because I don't.

Prussian mouthed off and he was totally off base. You are too. This profession is going to get fixed. But it won't be a baby boomer that does it. My generation will leave it better than we got it.