UAL/CAL/AMR/USAIR/DELTA Retirements

[Flopgut]

You know what I'm going to enjoy guys? I'm going to enjoy reading the the obituaries of the guys who are taking such satisfaction in 65 right now. They won't get 65 increased again, they aren't going to make that much in the mean time, and the timing of their mass exodus will suit pilot supply/demand metrics quite well for the rest of us.

I bet they don't live past 70. They have funerals, we have futures. We just have to get through these next few years.

 

[JimmyKool]

I don't have exact numbers for ual and have lost interest in caring but before this age 65 crap it was anywhere between 170-300 a year. If I had to average from what I remember in indoc I'd say 220 a year. Seems like someone passed around a list in class but I probably tossed it.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

PS: Discrimination sucks

P.P.S. YOU suck!

 

[Superpilot92]

DL retirements peak from 2018-2025 with 800 or so a year.

They don't really pick up until like 2014 even with the NWA oldies.

That assumes EVERYONE stays till 65 which is highly unlikely.

 

[ualdriver]

Anybody have any UAL retirement numbers?

These were based on Age 60. Add 5 years....

[FONT=&quot]2007 - 263
2008 - 235
2009 - 231
2010 - 201
2011 - 167
2012 - 228
2013 - 246
2014 - 239
2015 - 271
2016 - 330
2017 - 305
2018 - 383
2019 - 356
2020 - 461
2021 - 508
2022 - 503
2023 - 574
2025 - 539
2026 - 561
2027 – 407[/FONT]

When we were hot and heavy about merging the first time around, I saw some projections at a union meeting for retirements at both airlines. If I'm not mistaken, if you plotted our retirements by year on a X-Y type axis, they looked like two sine waves almost 180 degrees out of phase, meaning our higher retirement years would offset your lower retirement years and vice versa.

 

[Superpilot92]

This is only a couple of the major airlines. The numbers only get larger when you consider the older pilot groups at USAIR, FEDEX, UPS, etc This also assumes everyone goes all the way to 65 which wont happen, especially for the airlines that have something of a pension left.


RETIREMENTS PER YEAR AT AGE 65

CAL

2012 7
2013 183
2014 198
2015 186
2016 205
2017 210
2018 180
2019 194
2020 169
2021 188
2022 180
2023 187
2024 154
2025 156
2026 166
2027 167
2028 204
2029 154
2030 170
2031 119


Delta (nwa included)

2009 6
2010 13
2011 15
2012 24
2013 139
2014 238
2015 278
2016 330
2017 386
2018 469
2019 558
2020 645
2021 830
2022 870
2023 824
2024 811
2025 727
2026 626
2027 522
2028 491
2029 485
2030 509
2031 449
2032 347
2033 271
2034 182
2035 122
2036 103
2037 19

UAL Numbers

2012 - 263
2013 - 235
2014 - 231
2015 - 201
2016 - 167
2017 - 228
2018 - 246
2019 - 239
2020 - 271
2021 - 330
2022 - 305
2023 - 383
2024 - 356
2025 - 461
2026 - 508
2027 - 503
2028 - 574
2029 - 539
2030 - 561
2031 - 407


American Airlines

2010 0
2011 0
2012 5
2013 138
2014 225
2015 274
2016 262
2017 286
2018 363
2019 458
2020 550
2021 609
2022 661
2023 714
2024 726
2025 737
2026 711
2027 588
2028 498
2029 476

 

[greyskyracer]

does anyone have the usair numbers?

 

[CitationLover]

Just simply add 5 more years. They will extend it to 70, what do the airlines care? The majority of the geezers are topped out anyways, fewer training events, etc.

 

[instructordude]

P.P.S. YOU suck!

It's the law get over it.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

This is only a couple of the major airlines. The numbers only get larger when you consider the older pilot groups at USAIR, FEDEX, UPS, etc This also assumes everyone goes all the way to 65 which wont happen, especially for the airlines that have something of a pension left.

Many will "medical out" between ages 60-65 as well, which the numbers won't take into account.

 

[AAflyer]

Many will "medical out" between ages 60-65 as well, which the numbers won't take into account.

We had roughly 40-50 medical out/and or had disability dropped (in the last year July 2008-July 2009). I have also flown with a couple who were waiting till 62.... Should be interesting .

AA

 

[aircombat]

It's the law get over it.

anything that costs you hundreds of thousands of dollars or around 3 years of your life is hard to get over.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

That assumes EVERYONE stays till 65 which is highly unlikely.

Yep, I don't think NWA will have everyone jump out at 60 (fewer and fewer as the frozen pension amounts get smaller), and not everyone at DAL is going to make it to 65. The excel projected seniority position thing was a great program that someone made... with a nice average 62.5 age.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

We had roughly 40-50 medical out/and or had disability dropped (in the last year July 2008-July 2009). I have also flown with a couple who were waiting till 62.... Should be interesting .

AA

I know CAL had at least one medical out this year as well.

 

[greyskyracer]

I know CAL had at least one medical out this year as well.

real classy