UAL/CAL/AMR/USAIR/DELTA Retirements

[waveflyer]

wherever you are- age 65 in the worst case scenario- delays you 5 years- but maybe closer to 3-4. Maybe we'll all remember this and make sure that the FO position doesn't suck so bad.

 

[clippyrip]

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[aircombat]

Upgrade is not a right or a gurantee. Get use to it it's the law.

60 was the law. why didn't the baby boomers get used to it?

 

[instructordude]

60 was the law. why didn't the baby boomers get used to it?

That is discrimination. You should find yourself a job with the Cambridge Police Dept.

 

[Booker]

I'm sure I missed out on some good times, but I've had a much better time accruing seniority at my major that I would have wasted by going to collage.

Funniest thing I've read all day.

 

[Diesel-9]

As a late 80's new hire on the 727 panel, we had guys in around age 50 just getting their first CA checkout. They spent 12+ years on the panel of which 5-7 was on the street. Can't remember any of them bitching about it. This won't be the first long cycle of nothing moving. Their are way too many airliners flying around full loosing money. Just like the auto industry and housing industry we need a large reduction. Way too many people lived off home sale profits and home equity loans fueling an economy that needed to slow down 5+ years ago. This will all pass in time, like before.

 

[dell]

With age 65 LTD premiums will increase. That is if company supplied/offered LTD is around in the future.

 

[The Prussian]

As a late 80's new hire on the 727 panel, we had guys in around age 50 just getting their first CA checkout. They spent 12+ years on the panel of which 5-7 was on the street. Can't remember any of them bitching about it. This won't be the first long cycle of nothing moving.

Nice to hear of what others (before) had to go through without complaining...of course there was no internet back then. But then again...the young pups now aren't worried about what happened years ago...only what concerns them now.

 

[Dan Roman]

As a late 80's new hire on the 727 panel, we had guys in around age 50 just getting their first CA checkout. They spent 12+ years on the panel of which 5-7 was on the street. Can't remember any of them bitching about it. This won't be the first long cycle of nothing moving. Their are way too many airliners flying around full loosing money. Just like the auto industry and housing industry we need a large reduction. Way too many people lived off home sale profits and home equity loans fueling an economy that needed to slow down 5+ years ago. This will all pass in time, like before.

Well said. In addition, if you were furloughed you didn't get anywhere near the benefits many furloughed pilots today get and now see as an entitlement. It wasn't long ago no one got pass benefits, cobra payments, pilots reducing their hours or taking voluntary leaves to mitigate the experience. This is a terrible economy, it sucks getting furloughed, but some of these guys need to quit blaming everyone and everything for their predicament. A lot of pilots have turned furloughs into opportunities rather than feel sorry for themselves.

 

[KNOTS]

A lot of pilots have turned furloughs into opportunities rather than feel sorry for themselves.

well said. there are lots of opportunites in life if you have an open mind.

 

[Ben Franklin]

But then again...the young pups now aren't worried about what happened years ago...only what concerns them now.

There were about 3,000-4,000 "young pups" like this between UAL and CAL around 1983-5 that weren't worried about anyone but themselves, either. Hmmmm... wait, which demographic was in the majority that pushed for age 65? Who is concerned with themselves, again?

This "young pup" studied what happened "back then" and he just watched it happen in similar fashion - just in the form of AGE 65 legislation change this time.

Please help us understand how a "young pup" concerned for retirements today is selfish and uncaring of the past, but an old fart wanting 5 more years before he retires is ok. Don't waste your time - you can't.



Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Ben Franklin]

Just like the auto industry and housing industry we need a large reduction.

You are the only boob that needs reducing.

Have you even bothered to look at the FAA projections for passenger enplanements looking forward?

When you unlatch from the IATA's tit of information flow, do yourself (and those of us forced to read your posts) a favor and get more sides of the story before blathering.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[instructordude]

There were about 3,000-4,000 "young pups" like this between UAL and CAL around 1983-5 that weren't worried about anyone but themselves, either. Hmmmm... wait, which demographic was in the majority that pushed for age 65? Who is concerned with themselves, again?

This "young pup" studied what happened "back then" and he just watched it happen in similar fashion - just in the form of AGE 65 legislation change this time.

Please help us understand how a "young pup" concerned for retirements today is selfish and uncaring of the past, but an old fart wanting 5 more years before he retires is ok. Don't waste your time - you can't.



Sincerely,

B. Franklin

It's the law get over it.

 

[RamOne]

You are the only boob that needs reducing.


BF are you nuts?!? Boobs should be ENHANCED, not reduced, Jeeesh!

 

[Flopgut]

Diesel, Roman and Prussian: Nonsense. As usual. I flew with guys who spent 10+ years as engineers and all they did was complain. Some had been furloughed, sure, but there were jobs available then. Most notably, I've flown with Prater's exact demographic and I can promise you, if 65 had happened when he was junior, the complining would be ten times what it is now. John only stopped griping about how wrong it was that someone else was in his seat (scabs) when it suited his goal of running ALPA. We're talking 25 years.

Prater's 65 rule has been worse for the airline pilot profession than Lorenzo. After the CAL strike, rates of pay were homogenized for aircraft types, lines of time were more equal and the junior pilots didn't have it so different than the senior. The disparity today is immense. Prater won't address it in the least bit. In fact, that's half the reason he changed it the way he did. His actions will become more clearly defined in the next few years. We're going to look back on this as one of the worst actions in our profession's history.

BTW: Anybody remember about two years ago when Prater put the blurb on ALPA's web site about "The FO that get's it"? His handwringing, teary-eyed plea for everyone to get on board with 65 because the poor, soon to be retired were in need? I would like to know where the "FO" is today? Where is John's concern for this pilot today? When will he write a plea titled "The over 60 captain who get's it"?

 

[aircombat]

That is discrimination. You should find yourself a job with the Cambridge Police Dept.

this post doesn't even deserve a reply. I would be honored to work for the Cambridge Police Dept. because only you most of the media and the president are stupid ones, jumping to a conclusion before knowing the facts.

 

[Diesel-9]

Diesel, Roman and Prussian: Nonsense. As usual. I flew with guys who spent 10+ years as engineers and all they did was complain. Some had been furloughed, sure, but there were jobs available then. Most notably, I've flown with Prater's exact demographic and I can promise you, if 65 had happened when he was junior, the complining would be ten times what it is now. John only stopped griping about how wrong it was that someone else was in his seat (scabs) when it suited his goal of running ALPA. We're talking 25 years.[/QUOTE] Taking advantage of Free Speech while still available, I disagree because I didn't see it at NW. Maybe I should thank the H.R. Dept.

 

[Diesel-9]

You are the only boob that needs reducing.

Have you even bothered to look at the FAA projections for passenger enplanements looking forward?

When you unlatch from the IATA's tit of information flow, do yourself (and those of us forced to read your posts) a favor and get more sides of the story before blathering.

I have looked at alot of info. With the projected cost of fleet replacements the next 10-20 years, probable fuel cost rising in a recovering economic cycle, they project 10-20 % of those projected passengers ain't going to be able to afford to fly. This comes from company marketing people. Airlines will be slow to grow any fleets and keep flying the high load factors til demand drops which it is already doing. 10-15% this year already. Wait til all the boombers retire and quit working. Flying will become a little like the old days, not so cheap. Or they will be able to fly cheap on the Barbie jets flown by Illegal Aliens. We will probably continue to see new airlines come and go, trying to keep ticket prices toooooooo low.

 

[instructordude]

this post doesn't even deserve a reply. I would be honored to work for the Cambridge Police Dept. because only you most of the media and the president are stupid ones, jumping to a conclusion before knowing the facts.

It was an outrageous racial discrimination event.

 

[clippyrip]

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