UA TA passed

[SoCentralRain]

Cal/UA merger announcement coming soon. Cal moving ORD gates to B terminal within the month.

Well, you got the last half of that statement kinda right.

CAL/UAL: why in the wide, wide world of sports would someone want to buy the pissed-off, demoralized cow when you get the warm, not very fresh and desperately in need of pasteurization milk for nothing? Don't hold your breath.

SCR

 

[contrail67]

They have to get the STAR alliance stuff finished first...suppose to be this fall. Nothing till then....just leg work to get set up.

 

[contrail67]

United Pilots Ratify QWL/Fatigue Tentative Agreement
A majority of pilots voting on the Quality of Work Life/Fatigue Tentative Agreement have approved the measure. Of the 5,944 eligible pilots, 3,747 (63.04 percent) participated in the ratification vote. 2,195 voted for the TA (58.58 percent) and 1,552 (41.42 percent) voted against.


why get a ta during section 6? the company would be less likely to do any further improvements--- their answer will be when we ask -- "well you just got a QOL TA, and you want more?"


i just dont see two things that the MEC supposedly is working hard on achieving in the new contract:

1. scope--- this will be gone-- i just dont see mainline flying 90 or 100-110 seat versions of a plane that the regional guys are already typed and qualified on and currently flying--- it will never happen--- so the question is--- what will the pilot group get from it

2. Furlough longevity pay----- i just dont see this happeneing either... furloughing the new hires , along with a bunch of others on 2/3 year pay is like a huge savings account acrruing interest-- why would they ever agree to bringing furloughees back in 5 years at 5-6 year pay-- never happen-- b/c they would require the same training as normal new hires should the furloughees decide not to come back at year one pay. duh.


everyday it seems more and more bleak

SKIPPY

Furlough Pay: I thought that DAL/NWA had furlough longevity pay in their new contract...anyone know if this is true? Just what I had heard.

Scope: What will the pilot group get out of flying the 90-100 seaters?? JOBS.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

no more inexperience at the wheel...that's what we get w/ flying the 90 seaters

 

[GogglesPisano]

Furlough Pay: I thought that DAL/NWA had furlough longevity pay in their new contract...anyone know if this is true? Just what I had heard.
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DAL has had that in our PWA for a long time. With the new PWA, former NWA pilots who had been furloughed gained it as well, retro-actively.

 

[j41driver]

Scope: What will the pilot group get out of flying the 90-100 seaters?? JOBS.

What the OP meant was...what would the UAL pilot group get in return for relaxing the scope to allow 90-100 seaters to be flown by a regional that already flies the 70-ish seat version of the same airframe.

 

[Mr.B]

What the OP meant was...what would the UAL pilot group get in return for relaxing the scope to allow 90-100 seaters to be flown by a regional that already flies the 70-ish seat version of the same airframe.

Well they'll start with threatening the top half of the seniority list with bankruptcy/shutdown/ etc hoping to scare them into submission. And you know what? It will work.

 

[DiverDriver]

Well they'll start with threatening the top half of the seniority list with bankruptcy/shutdown/ etc hoping to scare them into submission. And you know what? It will work.

Does the "Air Wisconsin Exception" still exist in your scope at United? BAC 146 frames could be replaced one for one. CRJ 1000 anyone?

 

[ualdriver]

Well they'll start with threatening the top half of the seniority list with bankruptcy/shutdown/ etc hoping to scare them into submission. And you know what? It will work.

I don't think so. I'm in the top half of the list and I'd laugh if they threatened me with that. He11, I'm in the airline industry. I'm threatened with that every day contract negotiations or not. I mean, that's right out of the Ferris/Wolf playbook from decades ago. They're going to have to do way better than that.

But if they offered us 10 BILLION TRILLION dollars, I'd consider relaxing scope, but only only if we got the 16% B&C fund contribution match and free internet at our layover hotels as well. And I ain't budging on the internet demand either.....

 

[pdub20s]

Im still waiting for somebody to come on and post:

"Once again, UA pilots lower the bar......" LOL