UA TA passed

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United Pilots Ratify QWL/Fatigue Tentative Agreement
A majority of pilots voting on the Quality of Work Life/Fatigue Tentative Agreement have approved the measure. Of the 5,944 eligible pilots, 3,747 (63.04 percent) participated in the ratification vote. 2,195 voted for the TA (58.58 percent) and 1,552 (41.42 percent) voted against.


why get a ta during section 6? the company would be less likely to do any further improvements--- their answer will be when we ask -- "well you just got a QOL TA, and you want more?"


i just dont see two things that the MEC supposedly is working hard on achieving in the new contract:

1. scope--- this will be gone-- i just dont see mainline flying 90 or 100-110 seat versions of a plane that the regional guys are already typed and qualified on and currently flying--- it will never happen--- so the question is--- what will the pilot group get from it

2. Furlough longevity pay----- i just dont see this happeneing either... furloughing the new hires , along with a bunch of others on 2/3 year pay is like a huge savings account acrruing interest-- why would they ever agree to bringing furloughees back in 5 years at 5-6 year pay-- never happen-- b/c they would require the same training as normal new hires should the furloughees decide not to come back at year one pay. duh.


everyday it seems more and more bleak

SKIPPY
 
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oh yeah , it's pretty sad when only 63% of eligible pilots vote.

SKIPPY i wouldve voted no
 

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1. scope--- this will be gone-- i just dont see mainline flying 90 or 100-110 seat versions of a plane that the regional guys are already typed and qualified on and currently flying--- it will never happen--- so the question is--- what will the pilot group get from it

SKIPPY

I know about 2000 guys that would say you are wrong.
 

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1. scope--- this will be gone-- i just dont see mainline flying 90 or 100-110 seat versions of a plane that the regional guys are already typed and qualified on and currently flying--- it will never happen--- so the question is--- what will the pilot group get from it

SKIPPY
Well, it's not unprecedented....it happened at AAA with the E190, so why not at UAL? Not that the pay on the E190 is up to par (they're flying it at regional rates), but I fully support keeping the metal in mainline colors.
 

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Best wishes to all at United to right that sinking ship. How the mighty have fallen....

United FO pay

737/A320 year one- $32/hr
737/A320 year two- $52/hr

Welcome back to the regionals! Time to pay your dues again. Oh, nevermind! They already furloughed everyone who gave up their regional seniority number to come there in 2008.
 

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Cal/UA merger announcement coming soon. Cal moving ORD gates to B terminal within the month.
 

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I know about 2000 guys that would say you are wrong.


well depending on what they offer, they only need 2001 guys to get it passed hell only 63% of the pilots give a crap anyway to vote on this TA-- to defeat it anyway--- they will seperate groups as they have done in the past wide vs narrowbody captain vs fo, senior vs junior etc.


i just dont see mainline flying the same "common" type of plane that regionals presently do. im not saying it's right, i just know hwo the end game plays out
 

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United Pilots Ratify QWL/Fatigue Tentative Agreement
A majority of pilots voting on the Quality of Work Life/Fatigue Tentative Agreement have approved the measure. Of the 5,944 eligible pilots, 3,747 (63.04 percent) participated in the ratification vote. 2,195 voted for the TA (58.58 percent) and 1,552 (41.42 percent) voted against.


why get a ta during section 6? the company would be less likely to do any further improvements--- their answer will be when we ask -- "well you just got a QOL TA, and you want more?"


i just dont see two things that the MEC supposedly is working hard on achieving in the new contract:

1. scope--- this will be gone-- i just dont see mainline flying 90 or 100-110 seat versions of a plane that the regional guys are already typed and qualified on and currently flying--- it will never happen--- so the question is--- what will the pilot group get from it

2. Furlough longevity pay----- i just dont see this happeneing either... furloughing the new hires , along with a bunch of others on 2/3 year pay is like a huge savings account acrruing interest-- why would they ever agree to bringing furloughees back in 5 years at 5-6 year pay-- never happen-- b/c they would require the same training as normal new hires should the furloughees decide not to come back at year one pay. duh.


everyday it seems more and more bleak

SKIPPY
It's pretty sad when only 63% of the pilots vote. Especially after they were sent repeated communications from UA ALPA via snail mail, e-mail, union meetings, etc.

I don't share your pessimism about jets greater than 70 seats being flown on mainline. In my opinion, that's a no-brainer strike issue, and even the thickest, densest United pilot sees the damage RJ's have caused. The only way I would see the company getting >70 seats at the regionals is through the 1113c process if we were to go bankrupt again. I'm not saying I think we're going to go bankrupt, I'm just saying that is the only realistic way the company can expect to get that flying.

As far as longevity pay for you guys go, I'm all for it. I know we passed a resolution at our Council concerning that matter, and I'm pretty sure that is direction to the Negotiating Committee.
 

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As far as longevity pay for you guys go, I'm all for it. I know we passed a resolution at our Council concerning that matter, and I'm pretty sure that is direction to the Negotiating Committee.
I sure hope so. However, it's just another $ item to be given up for something else for those actually on proerty.

Pretty pathetic vote turnout. You guys could have shown better.

I did however enjoy the "From Wooden Wings" I received in the mail yesterday.

RV
 

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I can't believe we passed this piece of crap. Negotiated to get things back we already had, plus gave them more efficiency. weak weak weak
 

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I can't believe we passed this piece of crap.



Well the other 47% voted... they picked the third choice... choosing not to choose.... which sends a bad signal to management...

Negotiated to get things back we already had, plus gave them more efficiency. weak weak weak
The Peanut Butter Jar Principle of Management.

At the college I attended, more than 20 years ago now, we dined in a huge build
ing—all 4,000 plus of us at once. Seating arrangements were 10 per table with a mix
of all classes at each table. The seniors sat at the head of the table and the freshmen sat at the end. The peanut butter jars, of course, were somewhere in the middle. We all liked the peanut butter jars—especially a new untouched one. The first person to delve into a “virgin” jar often did so with some ceremony. One day we arrived at lunch to discover the peanut butter jars were gone—replaced by little peanut butter packets. We were not happy. A form was filled out by the freshmen at each meal. After checking the usual boxes— Fast, Neat, Average, Friendly, Good—they would inquire if any upperclassmen had any comments for the form. “We want the peanut butter jars back!” we screamed. Word quickly spread through the 400 plus tables and the write-in campaign was on. Three meals per day, over a thousand forms each day going in to whomever read them, demanding the return of the peanut butter jars. About a month and 30,000 forms later, we arrived at lunch and, while milling around the tables prior to the announcements that proceeded our dining, we noticed THE JARS WERE BACK! The crescendo of conversational noise in the huge hall was appreciably louder than normal as people took notice. We fell silent as the announcements from “the tower” began. The final
announcement, appropriately, was simply “…and gentlemen, the peanut butter jars have
returned!” PANDEMONIUM! Four thousand guys celebrating like we’d just beaten Army and Navy in football on the same afternoon. Except for one guy. Standing to my left was Dave T., one class senior to me. Dave had this little grin on his face as he sadly shook his head while observing the raucous behavior of the student body. “What’s
wrong with you?” I asked. His reply was something I’d never forget. “Look at everybody…so happy…yet we don’t have one thing we didn’t have a month ago.”
Dave, for some irrational reason, later chose to be an officer in the Marines, but I’ll never
forget him as the author of what I later dubbed “The Peanut Butter Jar Principle of Management.” The concept is simple. If you want to raise the morale of the workforce you don’t necessarily have to give them anything. Merely taking something away and reinstating it later will have the same effect.
 

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"apathy"
-noun
-lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern : widespread apathy among students (pilots).


So does this vote fall under the FIX-IT-KNOW campaign?
 
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Cal/UA merger announcement coming soon. Cal moving ORD gates to B terminal within the month.
Well, you got the last half of that statement kinda right.

CAL/UAL: why in the wide, wide world of sports would someone want to buy the pissed-off, demoralized cow when you get the warm, not very fresh and desperately in need of pasteurization milk for nothing? Don't hold your breath.

SCR
 

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They have to get the STAR alliance stuff finished first...suppose to be this fall. Nothing till then....just leg work to get set up.
 

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United Pilots Ratify QWL/Fatigue Tentative Agreement
A majority of pilots voting on the Quality of Work Life/Fatigue Tentative Agreement have approved the measure. Of the 5,944 eligible pilots, 3,747 (63.04 percent) participated in the ratification vote. 2,195 voted for the TA (58.58 percent) and 1,552 (41.42 percent) voted against.


why get a ta during section 6? the company would be less likely to do any further improvements--- their answer will be when we ask -- "well you just got a QOL TA, and you want more?"


i just dont see two things that the MEC supposedly is working hard on achieving in the new contract:

1. scope--- this will be gone-- i just dont see mainline flying 90 or 100-110 seat versions of a plane that the regional guys are already typed and qualified on and currently flying--- it will never happen--- so the question is--- what will the pilot group get from it

2. Furlough longevity pay----- i just dont see this happeneing either... furloughing the new hires , along with a bunch of others on 2/3 year pay is like a huge savings account acrruing interest-- why would they ever agree to bringing furloughees back in 5 years at 5-6 year pay-- never happen-- b/c they would require the same training as normal new hires should the furloughees decide not to come back at year one pay. duh.


everyday it seems more and more bleak

SKIPPY

Furlough Pay: I thought that DAL/NWA had furlough longevity pay in their new contract...anyone know if this is true? Just what I had heard.

Scope: What will the pilot group get out of flying the 90-100 seaters?? JOBS.
 
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no more inexperience at the wheel:)...that's what we get w/ flying the 90 seaters
 

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Furlough Pay: I thought that DAL/NWA had furlough longevity pay in their new contract...anyone know if this is true? Just what I had heard.
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DAL has had that in our PWA for a long time. With the new PWA, former NWA pilots who had been furloughed gained it as well, retro-actively.
 
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