U/AWA PID set @ 10/24/2005

[PHXFLYR]

Why don't we all,both USAir and AWA, just shut our dam yaps and see what the arbitrator comes up with in a few months,OK?? We aren't going to solve it here on this asinine webboard and all we do is seem to get each other pissed off at one another. The 2 merger comittees are sitting down at the table trying to hammer something out and some how crap like this DOES find it's way back to the table,making it harder for them to reach a "fair and equitable" agreement (whatever THAT may be.... ). So why don't we just let the merger process run its course and see what happens. My bet? Binding arbitration.


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Parker:



You need to check your history books. AWA was very close to going the way of the three pilot airplane.



As was USAir.....

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

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AWA never was in the hole that Airways is (was in).................

Former airline - is HQ being moved to Chitsburg? You homos are the ones being acquired. I seem to remember your douche CEO being more concerned about golfing than making this merger happen to save your asses from liquidating.


Hey "Doogie",


If (and based on your postings here, I hope you're not) but IF you really are an AWA pilot would you mind posting your "p" number on this webboard for me? I'd like to add you to my "No Fly" list. Thanks!!


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

As for the financial part of your post, the same could be said of AWA. If Doug Parker could have raised $800million on his own, why didn't he just do it, right? Furthermore, why does he spend his time posting on flightinfo.com? [/quote]



We we're too small and up against SWA everywhere we went to attract the sort of capital that expansion required as a stand alone entitity. You guys had the "mass" but were unable show a profit even in CH 11, to compete successfully against airlines such as SWA ,Air Tran and Jet Blue. Regretably you need us as much as we need you to pull this thing off. So we all better learn how to play ball together or we ALL are in for a very long and miserable career.


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Really, PHXFLYR? I think if I searched, I'd find three chest-beating AWA posters to every one of our guys, but that's just a rough estimate.




Maybe so....but you furloughed USAir guys seem to elevate "chest thumping" to an art form . I know you have been through alot,but lets just sit back and see what the Merger Comittees come up with ,if anything, before we go bashing each other over things that we have no control over. OK?


PHXFLYR

 

[BeCareful!]

We we're too small and up against SWA everywhere we went to attract the sort of capital that expansion required as a stand alone entitity.

I agree with that.

You guys had the "mass" but were unable show a profit even in CH 11,

Do companies often report profits in CH11? Just curious, as I'm neither a NYSE commando nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

So we all better learn how to play ball together or we ALL are in for a very long and miserable career.

PHX, that's something I've recognized from the start. If you run into the FLightinfo.com's Doug Parker, you might want to tone him down a bit. I think his rhetoric will do you guys more harm than good.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Do companies often report profits in CH11? Just curious, as I'm neither a NYSE commando nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Yes. We did while in CH 11,which allowed us to come out of ch 11 in 1991. United recently did this past quarter. You guys never did .


PHX, that's something I've recognized from the start. If you run into the FLightinfo.com's Doug Parker, you might want to tone him down a bit. I think his rhetoric will do you guys more harm than good.[/quote]


You tone your kids down first and then we'll talk....whaddayathink?


PHXFLYR

 

[Fly-n-hi]

A350,

"Lastly, AWA didn't buy UAIR. The companies were merged with outside capital. They liked the USAirways brand better, they liked your management better. "

You need to check your current event books. AWA is aquiring US Airways. Go to Yahoo Aviation News and type in these key words: America West + Aquiring + US Airways and you will be linked to about 40 articles explaining that AWA is indeed aquiring US Airways.

It doesn't matter where the financing is comming from. The lenders are giving a loan to America West to buy US Airways because they believe that AWA can be successful. Otherwise they'd be loaning the money to you to buy AWA.

The only reason they are sticking with the US Airways name is because US Airways has more name recognition than AWA. They like the name...not the brand. There are going to be alot of changes at US Airways as they adopt the AWA ways of doing things.

And there is no way a furloughed US Air pilot should gain anything over a current AWA pilot. Doesn't matter how long you've been there. All financial experts agree that without this merger US Airways is history (again, do a yahoo search). Would AWA be history too? Maybe. But the one certainty is that AAA is in much much worse shape than anyone else. Just the fact that we are merging makes this a better deal for the AAA people by far.

Later.

 

[A350]

How much U stock did AWA buy? If the answer is zero, they didn't acquire anything. Did AWA send a check to Dr. Bronner in Alabama? Did they send a check to the government to cover the U ATSB loan? No.

I hope you don't read everything on the Yahoo board with that much conviction!

A350

 

[TWA Dude]

How much U stock did AWA buy? If the answer is zero, they didn't acquire anything.

AWA didn't buy USA however AWA stock converted to LCC and the former AWA stockholders now own 20 percent of the new USA.

 

[PHXFLYR]

How much U stock did AWA buy? If the answer is zero, they didn't acquire anything. Did AWA send a check to Dr. Bronner in Alabama? Did they send a check to the government to cover the U ATSB loan? No.

How much of AWA did U buy? Answer, ZERO.
What was the amount on the check U sent to Dr Bronner? ZERO,again.
Did U send a check to cover the ATSB loan? Didn't think so....
I can see where you are going to be a real pleasure to work with in the years ahead



PHXFLYR

 

[BeCareful!]

Yeah, this stuff ain't gonna be discussed on my flightdeck.........

I'll tell my flying partner, if he wants to banter back and forth about financial issues he's in no way qualified to discuss, he can log onto flightinfo.com

 

[HAL]

Do companies often report profits in CH11? Just curious, as I'm neither a NYSE commando nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Look up the results for Hawaiian Airilnes during their last round in Ch.11. Starting the month they entered bankruptcy, they posted continuous profits for two years, including paying 100% of all bills & claims, including all extra bankruptcy expenses, 100 cents on the dollar. That just goes to show you that even if a company claims that it has to go into bankruptcy (i.e. Doug Parker's statements that AWA might have to do Ch.11 if it didn't merge), it doesn't mean that the company is going to fold, or is even unprofitable. There are buildings full of people at every company who spent years in college learning how to manipulate corporate financial statements to make it look the way the management people want; profit, loss, whatever. Accounting is a deep dark world, best left to the trolls already there.

HAL

 

[whymeworry?]

Man-o-man, this is great stuff. You guys seem so pissed at each other I can tell this merger is going to work out great.

 

[jp1030]

Man-o-man, this is great stuff. You guys seem so pissed at each other I can tell this merger is going to work out great.

Yeah you're right... It's really too bad because you have two really good pilot groups that will end up despising each other when the lists are merged. One of the reasons I left Usairways was that the morale was so bad it was affecting every part of our business.
If you guys dont find a way to come together under the new management team you're in serious trouble. I was there for the PSA and the Piedmont mergers, and even to this day there exists ill will amongst some.
Work it out or start over somewhere else. Starting over is no fun even in the best circumstance.
JP

 

[TheDonger]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but everybody at the former "U" is mature and is quite frankly bored by all this not getting along talk. The AWA guys are fine, we're fine, be afraid, be very afraid...

 

[Wiskey Driver]

As for the financial part of your post, the same could be said of AWA. If Doug Parker could have raised $800million on his own, why didn't he just do it, right? Furthermore, why does he spend his time posting on flightinfo.com?

We we're too small and up against SWA everywhere we went to attract the sort of capital that expansion required as a stand alone entitity. You guys had the "mass" but were unable show a profit even in CH 11, to compete successfully against airlines such as SWA ,Air Tran and Jet Blue. Regretably you need us as much as we need you to pull this thing off. So we all better learn how to play ball together or we ALL are in for a very long and miserable career.


PHXFLYR[/quote]

Well said M.

WD aka TrickDaddyimp:

 

[Wiskey Driver]

AWA didn't buy USA however AWA stock converted to LCC and the former AWA stockholders now own 20 percent of the new USA.

Good Point TWA Dude! Let's focus on the real issue here BUSINESS not emotions. Again good point...

WD/TDimp:

 

[Fly-n-hi]

A350,

"I hope you don't read everything on the Yahoo board with that much conviction!"

The articles that you are linked to when doing the Yahoo or Google search come from sources like The New York times, The Wall Street Journal, and other highly credible financial news sources.

Last time I checked, these guys knew more about the financial world than you or TWA Dude. Niether of you seem to read very well. Please don't tell me you think you know more than the financial guys at The Wall Street Journal.

You just got owned!

 

[Sig]

We CEL guys are being cast off by fellow PDT guys, read no flowback, and no J4J at PSA for us and no J4J at AWAC for us just leaves a J4J at Rep if you can hold it, if not maybe pref hirring and start over again.

Uhh, what?

We're being cast off by fellow PDT guys? Let's agree on one fact: Absolutely no one, NOBODY, not one person wants to see furloughed pilots in this system. Period.

That also goes from the bottom of your list to the bottom of my list- zero displacements to the street. Understand? Of course you do. What I can't understand is the attitude I got in the PHL crew room, warning me of my eventual displacement, dilution of seniority, reserve again (never sat), junior bases, etc.

THAT ticked me off something fierce. Who the heck is this clown telling me, "Watch out! Your life will suck soon, because I'm coming home!" Well, c'mon back! Let's agree on a flow, not a flowback.

Butcha ain't getting my seat de facto without my nod.

Dangit, I didn't finish:

Here's why... With the APL/CEL list as it stands is used as a flowBACK, those pilots instantly have more seniority than anyone that stayed (say, since 1976), no matter how much time the affected pilot sat here (say, since 2000). Sounds goofy, especially with the term flowBACK. The displacements occur, those pilots sit for a bit, then move on.... elsewhere. Sounds goofier still. You show us a bridge that has some kind of continuity, and I'll show you my %age on the list. The problem here is that it is a one-way street, regardless of what your MEC floated 12-0.