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[LJDRVR]

LJDRVR,
I wont disagree with you that a coverup sounds next to impossible! But answer my questions.......

-The irrefutable 500+ eyewitnesses who saw an object from streak from the ground up (if they mistook the 747 exploding as a missile then why did it originate from the ground?)
-A missile being observed at 16,000 feet from a Pakistan Airlines 747?
-A 737 pilot enroute from Boston to Trenton, NJ seeing a "bizarre white flash of light followed by an explosion seconds later?
-ETC ETC

Irefutable eyewitnesses? HAHAHAHAHA

I have no idea what those other folks saw, but the evidence investigated by the men and women of the NTSB suggest the CWT exploded, and that there was no evidence of a bomb or missle. HMMM....Who to believe???? The head NTSB structures guy, a trained engineer and seasoned accident investigator who is sworn to find the truth and actually conducted an investigation, or some guy who thinks he saw some missile?

 

[414Flyer]

This is a different flight, but just thinking about how news reports come out that mysteriously vanish...
I can't remember the flight number, but I remember it was Egypt Air, and it was October of I believe 1998, and if I remember right the First Officer plunged the aircraft (L-1011 I think) into the Atlantic. But what I remember disctinctly is driving to work that Sunday, very early in the morning, and on the radio they were talking about how the flight had originated in Los Angeles, before stopping in NY where it took off before the crash. They were talking about how i'td encountered some sort of mechanical problem after takeoff in LA, and had made an emergency landing at Edwards AFB before continuing on to NY. I'm not crazy (really, I'm not), but no one has ever heard anything about that, yet there it was, on the radio (probably NPR if I know myself and what I'd have been listening to at that hour), giving this "official" news that either was wrong, was covered up, or whatever, but regardless, it was on the news then never mentioned ever again. An airliner making an emergency landing always makes the news, and at Edwards AFB? That's be big news, so where did they come up with it??

It never stopped in Edwards

 

[Flightjock30]

Take these witness samples......... http://www.apfn.org/apfn/eyewitnesses.htm

Match them up to the "unidentified blip" seen on ATC radar......
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/RADAR/radar.html


Put the two and two together....MAKES PERFECT SENSE..you cant argue otherwise....PROOF IT WAS A MISSILE!

 

[Dangerkitty]

Take these witness samples......... http://www.apfn.org/apfn/eyewitnesses.htm

Match them up to the "unidentified blip" seen on ATC radar......
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/RADAR/radar.html


Put the two and two together....MAKES PERFECT SENSE..you cant argue otherwise....PROOF IT WAS A MISSILE!

As a person with a Degree in Psychology who has studied eye witness accounts first hand I can tell you with 100% accuracy that eye witness accounts are some of the worst information you can ever receive.

We did case studies where we would have 10 people watching the same video (usually a car crash) and then give a detailed account of it. Many more times than not the accounts varied quite a bit.

Eyewitness accounts mean very little. Ever wonder why all eye witness accounts almost always state that there was a fire onboard a small aircraft when it crashed? Sometimes they even state they saw a fire when fuel starvation was the cause of the accident.

You have proved nothing.

 

[LJDRVR]

You have proved nothing.

Not true. He's proved he's a total moron.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Not true. He's proved he's a total moron.

Good point sir. Good point.

 

[9GClub]

First you assert the military did it, now you are effectively calling seasoned NTSB investigators a bunch of liars. You sir, have no clue what you're talking about.

Simmer down there, EMBRAER driver.... ...... Not sure I recall implying that the "seasoned" NTSB folks are liars. If anybody's lying it seems like it would be our pals over at the FBI.

I don't have any clue what I'm talking about..... that's why I'm reading the report, sir.

Play nice.

 

[andy_paul]

manpad
MANPAD
MANPAD?

c'mon, stop typing that. It makes me think of.........
nevermind

Lighten up guys, no one knows the truth. And I highly doubt eureka will be found in a message board

 

[PCL_128]

Take these witness samples......... http://www.apfn.org/apfn/eyewitnesses.htm

Match them up to the "unidentified blip" seen on ATC radar......
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/RADAR/radar.html


Put the two and two together....MAKES PERFECT SENSE..you cant argue otherwise....PROOF IT WAS A MISSILE!

Like I said, special kind of idiot.

 

[9GClub]

One detail I'd like to hear a straight answer on:

Was N93119 used as a platform in a K-9 explosives-training exercise in STL on 6/10/96--- or not?

 

[lurker]

manpad
MANPAD
MANPAD?

c'mon, stop typing that. It makes me think of.........
nevermind

I believe the term you really mean is 'manpon' as made famous by the man show
http://www.termsdefined.net/ma/manpon.html

 

[LJDRVR]

Simmer down there, EMBRAER driver.... ...... Not sure I recall implying that the "seasoned" NTSB folks are liars.... Play nice.

You called the final report a novel, in other words; fiction. If you self-admitedly dont know what you're talking about, then quit throwing about hyperbole concerning the missile scenario.

Here's a little suggested reading, if you're interested in actually finding out who the NTSB is and what's involved with an investigation; Blind Trust, by John Nance. It's a good starting off point for the layman to begin to understand what happens when an airplane crashes. If you find yourself in Houston, you can borrow my copy anytime, just drop me a line.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I have no idea what those other folks saw, but the evidence investigated by the men and women of the NTSB suggest the CWT exploded, and that there was no evidence of a bomb or missle. HMMM....Who to believe???? The head NTSB structures guy, a trained engineer and seasoned accident investigator who is sworn to find the truth and actually conducted an investigation, or some guy who thinks he saw some missile?

You seem to have the impression that all of the trained professionals who have investigated and researched this crash believe that the CWT exploded. Please visit this site: http://www.twa800.com/index.htm

This isn't merely a case of a bunch of ignorant bystanders allowing their emotions to draw conclusions. There are other groups of trained professionals who have done extensive research regarding this accident that disagree with the NTSB's position.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Oh, and here is a link to Commander Donaldson's report.
http://twa800.com/report/report.pdf

As for myself, I don't really have an opinion either way. There is plenty of supporting evidence on both sides. I don't have enough first hand information to come to a conclusion.

 

[FN FAL]

I don't have enough first hand information to come to a conclusion.

Ronald Reagan's, "We will never forget..." speech should be information enough.