Turbine PIC as FO

[PBRstreetgang]

Whoa,
This guy has it nailed! If a Capt. on a RJ is dumb enough to go drop a deuce, with this guy at the controls he really is not in command of his facilities, much less the A/C. Ergo, the right to log PIC truly belongs to the F/O, I think that the Sole Manipulator clause is ignored far too often, common guys if you are hand flying you are sole manipulator, log that chit, now!
PBR

 

[acaTerry]

Forget the time the Captain takes to go to the bathroom! Not only do I log that time as PIC for me, here's what else I do:

Average human blink takes 1/10th of a second. Every 10 blinks is 1 second. Roughly blink 15 times per minute. That's 1.5 seconds of time that Captain is physically not looking at the controls.

For a 2 hr flight, 1.5 seconds/minute * 60 minutes * 2 hrs = 180 seconds.

180 seconds = 3 mintes

So on a 2-hr flight, I log 3 minutes as PIC because the Captain had his eyes closed!

Now THAT's some good smack!

 

[Long Time Gone]

No doubt. Got any more for sale???

 

[A-Track]

Forget the time the Captain takes to go to the bathroom! Not only do I log that time as PIC for me, here's what else I do:

Average human blink takes 1/10th of a second. Every 10 blinks is 1 second. Roughly blink 15 times per minute. That's 1.5 seconds of time that Captain is physically not looking at the controls.

For a 2 hr flight, 1.5 seconds/minute * 60 minutes * 2 hrs = 180 seconds.

180 seconds = 3 mintes

So on a 2-hr flight, I log 3 minutes as PIC because the Captain had his eyes closed!

Don't forget to log the time you had your eyes closed as actual instrument time.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Um, hello, I'm the only one IN COMMAND! I wish guys like you who interviewed and thought they knew all the rules would lite up and take a chill pill. Its all in my friends logbook and he'll get to be at a major a lot faster than most regional FOs who dont log it!

You may as well just buy a new pen and write whatever you want in...the "PIC" time you pencil-whip is just as valid as what you're logging now...you ARE NOT, in any case, EVER able to legitimately log PIC in an aircraft requiring 2 pilots unless you are type rated....

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

LOL I guess so is about every other person I know then. Look it's simple buddy. We're flying alone. If my friend isnt checked out in the airplane then what does that SIC mean???!! It means he's dual qualified for controls. my friend even said one time he was kidding with the flight attendant and said something like, if I'm now the PIC I guess that makes you the SIC! Where's your logbook so you can log it! LOL!!! he just wrote the details on a paper for her so when she buys her logbook like she said she would she can log it correctly. look, flight time is flight time and the FAA cannot even debate that. who is flying if its not PIC? no one?! LOL

You are confusing "sole manipulator of the controls" with "PIC"...let us all be clear...I think I'm speaking in agreement with all the other (non ER) folks on this one...you aren't in command of anything unless you have a type in the aircraft...if that damages your ego or self esteem or requires you to change what you tell chicks in bars, then so be it...but it's true...just accept it and move on...really dude, you're sounding like a tool and not a sharp one at that...

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Whoa,
This guy has it nailed! If a Capt. on a RJ is dumb enough to go drop a deuce, with this guy at the controls he really is not in command of his facilities, much less the A/C. Ergo, the right to log PIC truly belongs to the F/O, I think that the Sole Manipulator clause is ignored far too often, common guys if you are hand flying you are sole manipulator, log that chit, now!
PBR

cm, 'sup?

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Really tho...one can see this kind of thing happening for real...once in RGS we were all subjected to an hour's "discussion" about what was legitimate instrument time as far as the majors were concerned...only it was a Perdue tool at odds with the rest of the class...interpreting the FARS and the FOM is an art...I say if the USAToday has a hotel sticker on it and the company paid for your room, said USAToday is "company furnished material" and is legal to read during flight...if you trust your new FO enough to take your attention away for that long...here's some flame bait for ya...what controls airspeed...pitch, or power?

 

[Motive Flow]

I miss Jimborealgood pilot

Me too. Those were the good ole days of FI.

 

[414Flyer]

I say log it all as turbine PIC. if you think about 777's while in your 152, you should log it.

The guy at SWA will buy it. You will be way ahead of the other chumps in the interview. $crew all these "rule followers"

If you see it, log it.

If you fly it, double it

 

[time builder]

Flamebait or not, you know there's guys in the schools wondering the same thing: How can I get as much on my resume in as little time and money possible.

Heck, I had a BE99 FO in training who was a 737 FO in India. In order to upgrade on the 737, he was going to log turbine PIC from the right seat of my plane, because the BE99 doesn't require a type rating.

True story. What's even worse is that his airline back in India was endorsing this move.

 

[414Flyer]

Flamebait or not, you know there's guys in the schools wondering the same thing: How can I get as much on my resume in as little time and money possible.

Heck, I had a BE99 FO in training who was a 737 FO in India. In order to upgrade on the 737, he was going to log turbine PIC from the right seat of my plane, because the BE99 doesn't require a type rating.

A lot of freight operators here though have told people to do the same thing. Go sit in the right seat and get time.

There was an operating of single engine Cessnas in the southwest that once offered me a job, they also used twin cessnas. A lot of their pilots would go out for 14 hours in the 210, then go sit in the right seat of a 402 until they had a couple hundred hours warming that right seat, so they could upgrade.

The last thing I want to do after being on duty all day is go sit in another plane and be out all night. Didnt take the job.

Another place up in the frozen north ended up hiring me to fly a twin with my whole whopping 9.4 hours multi engine, since who wants to go to Fargo in February.

 

[NYCPilot]

HELLO McFLY!


Why is anyone responding to this guy with serious answers? Is it not transparent that ALL his posts are flaming hot bait?

Sheeeesh.

 

[BrownStreak]

I know this guy is full of it strictly because captains don't leave long enough to sh!t. There'd be an accident a week if we did that and we all know it. Stupid riddle puke.

 

[viper548]

Forget the time the Captain takes to go to the bathroom! Not only do I log that time as PIC for me, here's what else I do:

Average human blink takes 1/10th of a second. Every 10 blinks is 1 second. Roughly blink 15 times per minute. That's 1.5 seconds of time that Captain is physically not looking at the controls.

For a 2 hr flight, 1.5 seconds/minute * 60 minutes * 2 hrs = 180 seconds.

180 seconds = 3 mintes

So on a 2-hr flight, I log 3 minutes as PIC because the Captain had his eyes closed!

The Captains I flew with had their eyes closed a lot longer than 3 minutes on a 2 hour flight

 

[Flyer1015]

The Captains I flew with had their eyes closed a lot longer than 3 minutes on a 2 hour flight

LMAO! Then you can log all that time as PIC! Remember, he isn't "at the controls" when his eyes are closed. YOU, the SIC F/O, are then PIC!

 

[30West]

Original poster

OMG I can't breathe! Sorry, can't post anymore, doubled....over....with...laughter......sides, splitting........Muscles cramping.....dude you're too much! :laugh: :laugh:

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

Kill Yourself

 

[145BOSS]

I actually believe this guy is correct. I just heard of a Go! Flight Attendant that was recently able to log over 25 minutes of CRJ PIC flight time as she was the only crew member coherent as they overflew Hilo.

 

[Grinder10]

Bravo Mr. JDRESQUIRE