TSA Lounge is down!

[boulevard]

I want to know who proposed the current deal to the company? Was it certain senior training department pilots or JK/DM? Why couldn't our union leadership propose these plans?

The company won't work with our leadership. They have the upper hand and the power. They steer our union leadership exactly where they want them and ultimately get what they want. The group as a whole is extremely effective, but our leadership is not.

The militant attitudes between our MEC and TSA MGMT benefits Hulas and hurts the pilots. Something needs to change!

 

[redbook]

I want to know who proposed the current deal to the company? Was it certain senior training department pilots or JK/DM? Why couldn't our union leadership propose these plans?

The company won't work with our leadership. They have the upper hand and the power. They steer our union leadership exactly where they want them and ultimately get what they want. The group as a whole is extremely effective, but our leadership is not.

The militant attitudes between our MEC and TSA MGMT benefits Hulas and hurts the pilots. Something needs to change!

You know damn well who it was....and the company doesn't pick our leaders and we don't let them pick our friends....AHOLE. What never changes is that you are a piece of sh!t.

 

[boulevard]

Redbook,

You misunderstood me. My point is, the company would not and will not deal with our current MEC. Therefore any communication or deal had to be offered through a mediator. Rumor has it that the mediators were training department pilots offering a deal from DM. Who knows how much of this is true, but it certainly leaves plenty of room to spin it in a favorable direction no matter what the outcome.

Multiple contract extensions will never get us to section 6 and until then the company is going to continually out manuever us. The first extension was to prevent so called concessions (what do we have to concede?) and the second might be to capture ************************* flying. Is the company really that smart? Compare the win/losses. We aren't doing so hot.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Control. One has more control of the situation than you think. How often do you help your company? You all know what I mean about helping your company. Don't give your company help in anyway.

Have you seen "office space" lately?

 

[redbook]

Redbook,

You misunderstood me. My point is, the company would not and will not deal with our current MEC. Therefore any communication or deal had to be offered through a mediator. Rumor has it that the mediators were training department pilots offering a deal from DM. Who knows how much of this is true, but it certainly leaves plenty of room to spin it in a favorable direction no matter what the outcome.

Multiple contract extensions will never get us to section 6 and until then the company is going to continually out manuever us. The first extension was to prevent so called concessions (what do we have to concede?) and the second might be to capture ************************* flying. Is the company really that smart? Compare the win/losses. We aren't doing so hot.

I reiterate my initial point: the company has no choice but to deal with pilot representatives whomever we determine they are. If we let the company choose who represents us it will be who ever rolls over the fastest. If we need changes to our leadership it would be to take a much much harder line with the company. Frankly I wonder if the company is not delighted with our current leadership and their extensions, as you pointed out.

I don't care what the company spin is; anyone who works at tsa for a week knows where the truth lies. I am not worried about being outmaneuvered in public relations; I just don't want to hand the company more concessions and/or extensions(which are concessions, and here again I agree with you, concede what?). Whomever handed the company the deal; it was still a POS.

The company is not that smart, they are just ruthless and a lot more focused and committed.

 

[boulevard]

Red,

I wasn't implying that the company would spin it in any way. As you said, "they are ruthless" and they don't care about what anyone thinks. The MEC, on the otherhand, has to answer to the pilots. If another proposal was made, without the groups consent, then the group obviously failed to make the point that we want a say. I think the only reason we had a say with the first proposal was purely political. The MEC had to have known that a majority was against the proposal and in letting us vote they averted a rebellion.

Nothing has changed in six years. When the company creates a new problem for the pilots; the pilots, the MEC, and the company handle it the same way every time. Don't you think it's getting old negotiating for things that were taken away, giving in for rights that were taken away, and not gaining anything. Even worse, we aren't going to get anything new for years to come if we offer another extension. The first extension should never have happened, nor should another.

 

[shwing]

And The Vote Is?????

A Big Fatty No From Tsa Mgt!!!!

 

[aviatornick]

y does that not surprise me?

 

[smokey999]

We were all told we would know the details of the proposal once the company came back with an answer. Sooooo............????

 

[aviatornick]

i just got an email with the reply to the proposal, but not what the actual proposal was. any help?

 

[redbook]

Red,

. When the company creates a new problem for the pilots; the pilots, the MEC, and the company handle it the same way every time. Don't you think it's getting old negotiating for things that were taken away, giving in for rights that were taken away, and not gaining anything. Even worse, we aren't going to get anything new for years to come if we offer another extension. The first extension should never have happened, nor should another.

I agree with you Boulevard; especially regarding extensions. I must have misinterpreted your earlier post.

TSA management believes that we are BEGGING for an extension. Correctly, from their point of view, their response is "We can get a WHOLE LOT MORE!!"

Time to take the flying back; negotiating with them is useless. They will only respond to an economic punch in the face.

 

[redbook]

from another thread....... it just seemed appropriate to paste it here..




While we take in in the a##
ALPA

Amount to ALPA OFFICERS- $1,041,898
Amount to ALPA Employees- $27,736,254
President-D. Woerth $ 412,451 (S) $ 130,000 (A)
(S) salary (A) allowances

Dir Representative $399,866
General Manager $384,175
Dir Representati $377,852
Legal Director, $361,802
Dir Eng and Air $321,586
Dir Communicatio $ 313,382
Asst Dir Represe $280,516
Supervisor Legal $279,938
Dir Government $ 279,900
Asst Dir Represe $276,349
Asst Dir Represe $253,357
Superviosr Legal $ 248,929
Legal Supervisor $248,440
Dir Retirement A $ 241,440
Managing Attorney $230,670
Sr. Contract Admi $225,467
Sr. Contract Admi $ 221,496
Sr. Contract Admin $220,721
Asst Dir E & AS $220,300
Sr. Contract Admi $218,275
Sr. Dir Represt $ 217,826
Dir Economic And $ 209,433
Sr. Attorney, $ 205,736
Manager Economic $203,122
Sr. Contract Admi $202,568

And there are many below $200,000 per year
and the date is two years old.

As of 12/31/2003 Source : DOL Website

 

[temcgrew]

So just how are we going to get anything new this summer during negotiations? I predict "pain...lots and lots of pain!"

Now that the excitement is over, why is the lounge still down?

 

[Jason Kagan]

So just how are we going to get anything new this summer during negotiations? I predict "pain...lots and lots of pain!"

We are going to work are a$$es off, just like we always do.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Jason,
I probably should not ask this question here... but I will regardless

Can the company impose a single list if the alter ego contract is cheaper? It would then be in their best interest to staple us to their pilot group via a trumped up merger.

 

[illtake2]

Why did it go back down again...It was back up this morning now it is down again...I sound like a loser saying this but since everyone is kept out in the dark I at least like to know speculation...I wonder if the company came back with a proposal with concessions and 10 year extension...

 

[millhouse21]

Nope. It's back up now. Woo Hoo. I guess that's one barometer of activity here.

"Well, the lounge went down again. Something must be going on."

 

[labbats]

Without any disrespect... what keeps people flying at TSA?

Your second year pay is the same as most other regionals first year pay... so not money. I haven't heard a good word about the company from anyone there... and now GoJ3ts. Why don't you just leave?

 

[redbook]

Without any disrespect... what keeps people flying at TSA?

Your second year pay is the same as most other regionals first year pay... so not money. I haven't heard a good word about the company from anyone there... and now GoJ3ts. Why don't you just leave?

its a fair question. We have really dropped off a cliff in the last two years; I could never see recommending anyone to come work here. I believe nearly 200 pilots have left in 2005.

 

[great cornholio]

People are definately leaving TSA by the boat loads. I think the main reason that anyone is still at TSA is because they have not got a call from anyone else yet.