True Story, no joke....

UALX727

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I've told this story to a few of my friends but have refrained from posting it here. But it's been a while ago so I'll tell it to the board.
This really happened to me but I guess I am not too surprised.

Here's something that really ticked me off. A few months ago a female recruiter from McDonald's Corporation called me up at home. Turns out she was searching on Monster.com looking for a pilot for their flight department. I think the title of my resume was something like:

"Airline Pilot Seeks New Career Opportunity"

I posted there figuring maybe I'd get some kind of 9 to 5 job, not really looking for a pilot gig. This was for a position based out of Chicago. As we talked, it became evident that she really wasn't interested in me. She told me straight out that they were placing a "high degree of emphasis" on candidates with a "diverse" backround. (AKA- She was basically asking me if I was a minority) or if I knew any other minority pilots that might be interested. This really ticked me off- To call me at home, with no interest of hiring me unless I fit the minority status, and then to ask me if I knew of any others who fit her description.

I refrained from telling her off because I really am in no position to being furloughed right now. I figured maybe I had some chance. I was polite and told her neither myself or any buds of mine were in a position to help her with her minority search. I honestly don't know any minority pilots laid off right now. I did tell her I knew of many non-minority pilots who were laid off and would do a fine job. She said she'd send me an email and to send her my resume and my buds names and phone #'s.

I went to the computer, checked my email, and sure enough she sent me a message that said, "Thanks for the help on this one."
That was all she pretty much wrote. That's when I sent my resume back to her with names and numbers of some of my buds. I told her to please give us the same consideration as anyone else she was looking for.

She responded back and said she would keep us in mind for any future openings. Guess what? It's been 2 months and none of us have heard Jack Squat. Interesting....

I do not intend to start a thread on minority hiring. I just wanted to pass this along to you guys if you might know a good guy who they would want. I just can't believe that happened to me. I still remember the recruiters name.
 

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Kind of reminds me of the Pay for training issue...

I personally would have said kiss my fanny!
 

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I'd say this is a perfect issue to boycot McDonalds on...not that I ever eat there anyway, but hey at least now I have another reason other than bad food.
 

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I had almost the exact same experience with a fortune 100 soda maker. Even though I had every qual they were looking for I was denied a look and told quite frankly of their search criteria. Oh well, someone has to atone for our for our great grands sins.
 

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I would've said: "yeah, what up dawg. You gots an airplane dat needs a brotha pilot? I be the right one fo da job. How much it pay? Yeah...sounds good. Where da airplane stay? Mhmm, I be on my way.
 

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That's a load of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!

"GREAT GRANDS SINS" Hey thats just plan living in the past to think that way. What's done is done we can't change the past. All we can do is learn from it and not repeat it. But with CRAP like that they are doing exactly opposite. Thats just like the issue of having a 4 year degree or not. The guy with the 4 year gets the job regardless of how they perform. That degree isn't going to do them any good unless they can fly the plane or not. Maybe they can use it for toilet paper. I guess I am just pi$$ed off to hear a story like that when we got tons of good qualified guys out there looking for job. I don't care what color you are, we all should get a equal chance if you meet the qualifications. Just my 2 cents worth. I don't want to make anybody made. If I did or do you can guess that what I would say to you.
 

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There are many reasons why airlines like candidates with degrees. It shows that you can finish a lengthy project, are committed, and are teachable. That doesn't mean people without degrees are not any of those. They just need to show potential employers that they have those types of qualities.
 

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Well I might be a minority in aviation

Hey UAL:

It's not just you!! I troll all the job boards looking for employment. I DID send something to McDonald's -- saw it at Monster.com, as did another furloughed airline pilot who lives in Chicago (McDonald's HQs). Neither of us received a call.

See where I am going with this?? It wasn't because you were male (or that we are female) it is the fact that we are fuloughed!!

I feel like I have leporacy with the furloughed connotation.
 

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Well that is true about a degree. But what is wrong with a 2 year degree?
 

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Brilliant proptrash. Did you think that up all by yourself? Or did you do lots of research on Soul Train to come up with that one.
Get a life.

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You know this isn't an isolated incident involving McDonalds. Colleges offer scholarships to people for being nothing more than a minority or a women studying in a certain field. Its also ok to say on television or in public that a white person is a "cracker" while its a mortal sin to say "niger." And its also ok to hire minorities over whites no matter what the reasoning. In fact many people would say that that is noble.

I personally went through a similar incident with Continental Express. I went to an interview there last spring. At that interview where 9 people. 4 had more than 1000 hours and 4 had less, I had almost exactly 1000 hours. 3 of the people with less hours then me where minorities. The other had more multi-engine time then single time and was an A&P. All 4 with more hours then me where white male and sent away. All 4 with less hours then me where hired. Now I make no excuses about my interview, I was horrible. But I can't see how the 4 more qualified applicants above me where all turned away. I have concluded that they must have needed the minority pilots.

Oh by the way, I know I'm going to be called racist for my opinions. It doesn't bother me any more. I'm not racist, those who think that anyone of any color or ethnicity should be held back for the betterment of another race or ethnicity are the racists. I just ask for EQUAL treatment. Nothing more, nothing less.

By the way, Hitler held back jews for the betterment of the white race, Affirmitave action holds back whites for the betterment of minorities.
 

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I heard through some corporate channels that Oprah fired her 2 white Gulfstream pilots and hired 2 black pilots. Lawsuits have been filed!

Any truth to this?
 

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Furloughed Gal......

I do not follow your logic.

I was specifically asked if I knew of any FURLOUGHED MINORITIES that were in my situation. So this would prove that they were ready to hire a furloughed minority. Otherwise, why would they ask me this??

Here is your quote:


Hey UAL:

"It's not just you!! I troll all the job boards looking for employment. I DID send something to McDonald's -- saw it at Monster.com, as did another furloughed airline pilot who lives in Chicago (McDonald's HQs). Neither of us received a call.

See where I am going with this?? It wasn't because you were male (or that we are female) it is the fact that we are fuloughed!! "


Once again, I believe being furloughed had nothing to do with it. If I met their "criteria", I may have been given an interview, who knows. I'm not bitter at all, I will go back to UAL eventually, wouldn't give up my seniority even if they offered me the job. It just sickens me that this kind of stuff still happens. And trust me, McDonald's aren't the only ones doing this.
 

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Ronald McDonald - Pilot Recruiter

This tale is one of the richest hiring stories I've heard in a while. What nerve!! I always looked for jobs with my hat in my hand. I was grateful for every interview given me, in three different businesses. Looking for work is hard. Getting job interviews is hard. Getting a job is hard, no matter how well qualified you are for the job. You don't do such inconsiderate things to people looking for work. Either this "recruiter" was a typical H.R. conehead or just plain stupid. To me, H.R., conehead, and stupid are synonymous.

I don't remember the last time I ate at McDonald's. Now, I definitely will not.
 
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Re: That's a load of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!

Dep676 said:
"GREAT GRANDS SINS" Hey thats just plan living in the past to think that way. What's done is done we can't change the past. All we can do is learn from it and not repeat it.
Yes, but maybe it wouldn't be such if every honky tonk Cracker south of the Mason-Dixon line wasn't still fighting the Civil War. When all the Rebel flag waving stops then maybe the other side will follow.

As for Micky-D's apparent affirmative action hiring policy, I prefer Wendy's anyhow.

Courts are beginning to take notice of reverse discrimination and lawsuits are working their way to the Supreme Court as we speak. This garbage won't go on forever, unless we allow it.

I ask for equal representation for everyone, neither minority discrimination nor majority discrimination.
 

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This has never, every been a desire for equal rights. It has been, and will continue to be, a desire for unequal rights.

From the corporate standpoint, this is being driven by FEAR. That large soda maker, Harpo Productions, and Mac Donald's all have a fear of minority litigation. On the other hand, they have little fear of litigation from anyone else. White male pilots have little or no experience thinking of themselves as powerless victims. There are no self-styled "white leaders" making speeches to large groups of constituents who see the government as a place to receive benefit.

A growing number of minorities have rejected this "victim status", and many are likely fine pilots. They deserve jobs, too. They know they deserve them because of ability, not because they calm the fears of an HR department head.

This will continue until the good people stand up and reject this practice, and start shouting down the Al Sharptons and Louie Farrakahns (sp).
 
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Ifly4food

Hey it's there right to wave that flag if they choose too. But is it ok for people to hold a million man march in the US capital. I don't agree with any discrimination either. We all should be looked at for our qualifications not color or anything else.

I'll second that timebuilder we need to get rid of these loud mouth idiots like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Louie. If a white man was doing that he would be called a racist.
 

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SHHHHH! Not so loud!

Peter Jennings might hear!
 
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