Trouble ahead for Low Cost Carriers???

[Joe Peeoznotz]

Ty your own shoes

Oh, horsefeathers!

Don't hold your breath too long on this continued addition to your bottom line. By the way, since you are such a 10K fan, why don't you point out where they break out the "hold up" money in the 10K? I guess stockholders for the company don't have a right to know. Next time you see Joe, tell him I luv the transparency.

Maybe you're really not making money at all on operations.

"Those that remain silent can only follow."

When you wake up, be sure and wipe of the druel.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, you have certainly opened your mouth and removed all doubt.

When a community comes to us and asks us to begin service (as PNS did, and BMI, and ICT, and many others) we ask the business community to guarantee a certain amount of revenue. If ridership is not high enough to be profitable, the difference comes from the travel bank. So, regardless of ridership, the service will be profitable.

It's actually very smart . . . . too bad that you feel so threatened by it. It must be a very big and scary world to someone with such limited mental development.

I really doubt that SWA hired an idiot like yourself, but if they did, I would keep my mouth shut and hope they don;t ever discover their mistake.

squawk, squawk.

 

[Joe Peeoznotz]

Oh Ty

You're such a kidder!

No Ty, it's bad public relations. This industry has had two big black eyes for a long time because of these kind of business practices. It's too bad FL is the only LCC stooping so low. I hope some of these cities have a long memory when they consider future gate assignments.

Now Ty, would you care to answer my question of the 10K? I didn't think so. Dribble, dribble.

 

[Ty Webb]

There is nothing special to report on a 10K or a 10Q. It is revenue, pure and simple . . . .

You seem to think that it is some sort of evil practice.

It is not.

Let me tell you how it came about. When we began service to MOB, walk-up tickets to ATL, which is approx 303 nm, were $600. When we started service for $149. (or $129. or whatever it was) Delta responded by adding flights and matching these fares, at a substantial and unsustainable loss.

The local populace did not seem to understand DAL's newfound benevolence . . . and eagerly snapped up the cheap tickets on DAL, while pocketing the FF miles, and were amazed at their newfound fortune.

Eventually, AirTran dropped the city, stating that the locals were not patronizing the service.

The very next day, DAL raised the fares right back to $600. for a walk-up, and the locals were wandering around in a daze, saying, "What happened"?

When the next small-market city approached us, we are a little more savvy . . . . so we now say, "It costs us at least half a million dollars in initial losses to open your city, and possibly a few more million in losses when the legacy carrier that has held you hostage all this time decides suddenly to suddenly match our fares . . . . so if you want us to come in, you are going to have to show us that you are making a commitment to this process, as we are . . . and put together some sort of guarantee that you are in this for the long haul".

It makes perfect sense to me, and I don't hear any one crying about it but you, and you don;t even have a dog in this fight, do you?

 

[T-Bags]

"Let me tell you how it came about. When we began service to MOB, walk-up tickets to ATL, which is approx 303 nm, were $600. When we started service for $149. (or $129. or whatever it was) Delta responded by adding flights and matching these fares, at a substantial and unsustainable loss."

So what you are saying is that for the same price, most people prefer DAL (despite the old Mad dogs). Superior product huh? I wonder if SWA would have tucked tail and run... Maybe cities who have never enjoyed the "valujet experience" think they are getting another SWA, but when you guys show up with some of the worst operational statistics in the industry, and @sshole employees like "TY" (you should wear your hat TY, it covers the foreskin...), they decide they don't want to fly you at any price. Now this "vote for us" joke of a marketing campaign REALLY makes me laugh. You guys have probably got the speed dial in all the trailer parks changed from the Bail Bondsman to good old AT...

 

[Joe Peeoznotz]

Ty me down will ya

If I wanted to listen to the History Channel, I could just tune in.

If it's revenue then break it out. Inquiring minds want to know. Wichita has paid you guys a fortune, and it ain't coming from a travel bank, it's coming from the tax payers. This has been a quiet money maker for FL for quite a while. I would bet that if WN or B6 began this practice, it would be in front of Congress.

Could you imagine if every airline began using this practice? It's an outrage, and your company should be ashamed.

 

[Ty Webb]

Bird-Brain:

You know, I remember you now. You jumpseat on us sometimes, from ICT to MDW!

Wow. It takes a real jackass to shake your hand, requesting a jumpseat and then turn around and badmouth you and your company on a public forum.

As for your insinuation that there is something wrong with the local business community putting up a travel bank- you aren;t just a jackass, you're an idiot, to boot!

Here's a quarter- call Ralph Nader, tell him I said, "Hi!".

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, that was about five years ago. Amazing how things change.

Our oldest 717 is newer than Delta's newest plane. Have you seen some of those Delta planes taxiing around? What a fine looking fleet. When you can see past the dirt, there are three separate paint schemes out there, not to mention all the mismatched radomes, rudders and tailcones!

Our F/A's aren't ancient galley hags with a 20 year pin, a sense of entitlement and a crossword puzzle book- and we have full service on a 42 minute leg, which you will not get on Delta, I guarantee it.

T-Bags, you crack me up. You are so pathetic.

Here, man, just relax, sit sit back and have yourself a nice big can of Shut the F#ck Up!

 

[Joe Peeoznotz]

Ty one on will ya

Did that quarter come from a travel bank? I'm sorry, but I can't accept it.

 

[T-Bags]

"So what you are saying is that for the same price, most people prefer DAL (despite the old Mad dogs). Superior product huh?

Well, that was about five years ago. Amazing how things change.

Our oldest 717 is newer than Delta's newest plane. Have you seen some of those Delta planes taxiing around? What a fine looking fleet. When you can see past the dirt, there are three separate paint schemes out there, not to mention all the mismatched radomes, rudders and tailcones!"

And they STILL prefer DAL. Must be the @assholes up front who can't seem to ever be on time.

"Our F/A's aren't ancient galley hags with a 20 year pin, a sense of entitlement and a crossword puzzle book- and we have full service on a 42 minute leg, which you will not get on Delta, I guarantee it."

Nah, just skank ho's who couldn't get hired by a major. BTW TY, 6 YEARS?! You've been trying to get a real job for 6 YEARS and the best you could do was Valujet? LOL!! If you'd like, we can send you copies of our interview and hire letters from your dream airlines. You can black out the names, put yours in, and finally have a letter from DAL, UAL, SWA, or AMR that doesn't say "sorry, we don't hire child molesters, try Airtran..." Are those grapes REALLY THAT SOUR? If I'm ever part of a picket line, I'm sure I'll finally get to meet you.... as you are crossing it...

 

[crashpad]

This is the most interesting post I've read in a long....zzzzz....zzzz...
zzzz....All Right!!! I've just been upgraded to Captain!!! It's like I've always said, "I'd rather be the most junior Captain at an LCC that provides quality customer care, than the most senior FO for the majority of my career at any US major carrier ."

 

[MedFlyer]

Our oldest 717 is newer than Delta's newest plane.

Sorry Ty, but not even close to being right. The first 717 was delivered to Airtran in September of 1999. DL has taken delivery of many mainline planes since then. The last mainline planes to be delivered new to Delta were delivered in the spring of 2002. I'm not even counting the RJ's that DL owns, either.

 

[Ty Webb]

Actually, I had a good job I liked . . . and when the time was right, I made the move to AirTran. So far, it's looking like a very good move. Just a few short months away from Captain upgrade, and the way things are going, I'll be in the top third of a major airline in the next three years. Not a bad way to spend the last 20 years of a career.



If you'd like, we can send you copies of our interview and hire letters from your dream airlines

You really are in denial, aren't you? Have you looked around? Do you have any idea how many guys have given up seniority numbers at UAL, USAir, AMR, etc to come to AirTran?

Your words don't mean squat to me- I think your posts are funny as hell, (unintentionally, though) but the people you are really insulting in your posts are your furloughed buddies.

Nice.

 

[Ty Webb]

OK, I'll give you that.. . . . a handful of planes at DAL are as new as the older planes in our fleet.

Now, how about painting those radomes, and getting one uniform paint scheme . . . . . and, while you're at it, how about taxiing a little faster? I've seen freight dogs in Cessnas doing "S" turns on the taxiways behind some of those B767's at out stations . . . . .

 

[T-Bags]

This is the most interesting post I've read in a long....zzzzz....zzzz...
zzzz....All Right!!! I've just been upgraded to Captain!!! It's like I've always said, "I'd rather be the most junior Captain at an LCC that provides quality customer care, than the most senior FO for the majority of my career at any US major carrier ."

Glad you are finally "living the dream". I guess thats the differance between TRAN and the majors. the majors typically hire CAPTAINS, ie folks who've actually been there, done that..I'd frankly rather have the ability to CHOOSE between the right seat of a 747-400 in the pacific, a 777 in the atlantic or be a guppy captain flying up and down the west coast doing the "short hop" game, or maybe transcons in an AB. "Making Captain", although impressive to your fellow alumni of the short bus, only means your stayed alive long enough for your seniority to get there (more of a challenge at some places than others...)

 

[Ty Webb]

Ah, T-Bags again, with yet another ill-informed post- what a surprise.

If you refer to the minimum quals on our website, you'll notice a requirement for 500 121 PIC or milspec equivalent.

In fact, at recent job fairs, some UAL and USAirways furloughees were surprised to find that they don't meet AirTran's minimums . . . .

and somehow, I supect you don't either.

I am starting to doubt that you are even employed as a pilot- you are clearly an unimformed and unbalanced person.

Have nice life . . . . somewhere else.

 

[T-Bags]

WOW!! 500 WHOLE 121 PIC hours!!! Yep, you convinced me . FTR, I've better than 5 times that, and a good bit of it at better than 500K. The fact that you've never been part of a real airlines shows in just how impressed you seem to get by you airlines "stringent standards".... But thanks for the info. I had no idea what the mins were at AT (but you seem to know the mins at all the majors... hmm, wonder why...). As for FURLOUGHEES from majors coming to AT, realize, it took the threat of STARVATION to get them to switch, and one of the reasons you are looking at one day upgrading to Capt of the super RJ is because of all the guys senior to you who finally acheived their dream and made it to a major. For some reason that "upgrade dynamic" just doesn't seem to exist at UAL, DAL, AMR, or NWA

 

[FLB717]

TBag
I was thinking that you had some good points but then you went in to your Valujet tirade. I really do hope you strike some day it could be a real learning experience for you. And then I can give you five bucks and say how I supported your family. While it was nice of you to donate (ALPA gave you no choice) I am willing to bet that being on strike is the same sh!ty feeling as being furloughed, so step off. I think Ty gets a little strong sometimes, but he does speek many truths in regard to hiring. many have come from USA UAL AMR/TWA. And yes many do not meet the mins, but that was the same back in the day at all the majors, in the very close but passed glory days of hiring, but you are to nearsighted to remember I guess. Growing up here in the southeast I remember a little bit player (compaired toEastern) of an air line back in the 70's and 80's. After Easterns demise it grew from a bit player to a large airline. You may have heard of it...Delta? My advice to both you and Ty is to relax a little, it takes very small changes to go from the windshield to being the bug.

 

[Ty Webb]

You got it.

T-Bags' negativity is well worth avoiding.

In fact, I'm going to activate that "ignore" feature again.

He won't be missed.

 

[Mugs]

The fact that you've never been part of a real airlines shows in just how impressed you seem to get by you airlines "stringent standards"....

Ahhhmmm. Gee T-Bags, not a good flag to be waving around. Since you mentioned the "choices" you like -- (747s, 777s, Guppy, AB) -- I get the feeling that we both filled out the same application at one time. Do you happen to remember what the Mins were on THAT application? I enjoy reading your insight on financial matters. However, the rest of your stuff is all flap and no throttle, so to speak.