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Got a buddy who just lost his Beechjet job - he's now looking into TMC. I've read several threads - sounds like a dirtbag outfit.

Any change with TMC lately? A few targeted questions for those in the know:

- With something like 25 Beechjets and 25-30 Hawker 800XPs, how is fleet selection determined? Do newhires automatically go to the Beechjet? How does fleet selection work?

- What can be expected (realistic) for pay the first year as FO?

- Finally, is the schedule really 18 days on the road straight with the next 12/13 days off? How many days will you realistically fly during a month and how many will you likely sit in a hotel or at home?


Again, just trying to get updated info for a buddy who just lost his job. Not looking to apply myself. Still, I appreciate any updated info.
 
Fleet selection is based on the pilot's experience, and TMC's demand. Some are hired directly to the 800XP, but they usually have Hawker time, or a whole lot of other jet time. They offer 800XP slots to current Beechjet pilots.

Starting pay is going to be right around $45,000 for the 15/13 schedule. Their benefits are very bad, and very expensive, and seem to keep getting worse, so that is a definite factor, especially if a family is involved.

You start off hired into a reserve schedule, where you fly x number of days, followed by x number of days off, then you become available until you are needed again.
7-9 days on the road = 5 days off; 10-14 days on the road = 8 days off; 15 or more days on the road = 10 days off. If you are on reserve, available, and not on the road, you get $30 per day. If you are on reserve and on the road (flying or not), you get $250 per day plus $40 per diem.

You generally get moved to a fixed 15/13 schedule pretty quick with Wednesdays being the travel day (Tuesdays for the Hawker 800). There you make $220 per day plus $40 per diem when on the road (travel days included, regardless if you fly or not)

There's a good chance that you will fly every day of your 15 day rotation, including your beginning and ending travel days, but there's also a good chance that you could sit in a hotel for several days, there is no "normal." 30-60 hours is generally the range of flight time for each 15 day rotation.
 
Just read the big spread on TMC in ProPilot magazine. Of course it is a very favorable view of what a great operation it is. Other than pay/benefits is it true that their training and standardization etc. is at the top of the industry as they claim? Is the hiring system created by the chief pilot as thorough as it sounds in the article?
 
I was pretty pleased with their training and standardization, although I don't have much to compare it to. They are trying to run it like an airline in that regard. What did the article say about the hiring system? It was just a written test, sim evaluation, then face-to-face interview. Seemed pretty standard.
 
"...contacts candidates who meet the basic requirements for a 45-min telephone screening. Successful candidates are then called in for a formal interview at TMC headquarters at EKM. While there, potential new-hires are given a simulator evaluation to evaluate basic airmanship, crew resource management techniques and general knowledge. ...the 30-min sim ride features a high-workload departure and includes holding, approach work and equipment failures. A final interview is then conducted that includes the company officers-typically the director of safety and standards, and the director of training or ops-to determine if a job offer will be extended."
 
Yeah that sounds accurate. Most interviews are with the chief pilot and head of HR. There's a good chance that some of the other officers will be involved in the sim ride.
 
bloomboy10 said:
just read the big spread on tmc in propilot magazine. Of course it is a very favorable view of what a great operation it is. Other than pay/benefits is it true that their training and standardization etc. Is at the top of the industry as they claim? Is the hiring system created by the chief pilot as thorough as it sounds in the article?
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the pilot lifestyle section is missing....how did they forget to put that in?
 
Is there a known gouge for TMC running around? I looked on aviation interviews and didn't see it.

Thanks in advance. I'm crossing my fingers pretty hard; I know it's not a perfect gig, but it sounds a bit more enticing than my current organization.
 
Out of the two following choices, which would you choose?

FO at TMC

Or

FO at Gojets and upgrade will be 7 months?


Please hold the sarcasm, I'm looking for serious advice only.
 
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RPJ said:
Out of the two following choices, which would you choose?

FO at TMC

Or

FO at Gojets and upgrade will be 7 months?


Please hold the sarcasm, I'm looking for serious advice only.
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Gojets. If you flew for Avantair, you have already seen most of the countryside and the variety of flying that TMC could bring you. Flying as a Captain on the CR7 (certainly more comfy than your Avanti) would be better than sitting in the cramped Beechjet as an FO for a long while. I have heard the schedules at TMC are not good either.

Certainly not perfect from a union (cheap flying) standpoint, but I'd choose GoJets and the quick upgrade in that scenario.
 
I'm new to this site and I ran across the TMC forum. I haven't read much of what has been posted, but I'm going to add my two cents anyway..

TMC wasn't a bad place to be. I was a Beechjet PIC and standards captain a few years ago. I've been gone a while and I'm sure some things have changed, but I've been employed by a LOT Worse!

IMO, If someone has the personality to just show up for work, get whatever is given to them, then be able to leave it at work on their days off, they will get along just fine. If someone ponders over the little things while at work, or worse, on their days off, they will grow to dislike it (quickly). Although, I guess that is true for most aviation companies. It's as good as you want it to be.

FYI, I didn't take their medical benefits. It was cheaper to purchase them on our own (family of 5). With the new Obama care, this may not be an issue much longer (like it or NOT).

Past Rumors...They have had an alliance with XO Jet for many years now. I remember doing XO trips back in 2009. Back then, XO marketed TMC as the small fleet option. I wouldn't read to much into the alliance. The rumors of merger have been around for at least 3-4 years. Who knows what will actually take place. Believe it when the wheels are up and the check clears!

Tip: TMC management has a low tolerance for BS, as did most of the pilots. That generated some friction between the two groups. If you want a long career with that management group, I would suggest that you pick your fights and have proof in black-n-white. The two top guys had a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. Keep your nose clean and you'll never hear from them.

Again, my two cents worth...

Fly safe!
 
TMC purchased 7 Hawkers from XOJET. MR. DR. GM can now say he has the biggest charter fleet of Hawkers the next time he is invited to an after show/super bowl party with Celebs like Katie Perry. Mean while he has his pilots sleep in sh#t bag hotels 1.5 hours away from IND on super bowl sunday and double book rooms because he such a cheap a$$. Rockin and rolling 24 making massive amounts of $$$$$$ for you to rock your BULL$HIT low light/back light/high light and pound the high life dewwwww!! What a treat it was to have you as a leader!!!!
 
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What a bunch of Dumb Ass Pilots at TMC

Don't you get it?

Less money in your pocket, less spent on your hotels, etc, more money in the boss' pocket and bigger bonuses for the Scott twins.

If you don't like it, either Unionize or leave. Bitching will get you nowhere. Do something.
 
Hey Freedom,
Sorry for the late response. Pilots at TMC are not a bunch of dumbasses. Pilots are leaving at a steady rate and attrition will continue through 2013. The Unionizing idea a couple years ago was in the early stages of forming but momentum died out. TMC is a really shady place to work and like most of my friends including myself, we saw the daylight and moved on.
 
flyfor5 said:
TMC wasn't a bad place to be. I was a Beechjet PIC and standards captain a few years ago. I've been gone a while and I'm sure some things have changed, but I've been employed by a LOT Worse! Being employed by alot worse is not an excuse for the way they treat thier pilots.

IMO, If someone has the personality to just show up for work, get whatever is given to them????? Whatever is given to them.. Like a ******************** sandwich?, then be able to leave it at work on their days off, they will get along just fine. If someone ponders over the little things while at work,you mean like duty period, rest, hotels, schedule?? or worse, on their days off, they will grow to dislike it (quickly). Although, I guess that is true for most aviation companies. It's as good as you want it to be.

FYI, I didn't take their medical benefits. It was cheaper to purchase them on our own (family of 5). You don't see a problem with this given the size of TMC?With the new Obama care, this may not be an issue much longer (like it or NOT).

Past Rumors...They have had an alliance with XO Jet for many years now. I remember doing XO trips back in 2009. Back then, XO marketed TMC as the small fleet option. I wouldn't read to much into the alliance. The rumors of merger have been around for at least 3-4 years. Who knows what will actually take place. Believe it when the wheels are up and the check clears!

Tip: TMC management has a low tolerance for BS,Read: TMC has a low tolerance for anyone who wants a decent QOL as did most of the pilots. That generated some friction between the two groups. If you want a long career with that management group, I would suggest that you pick your fights and have proof in black-n-white. The two top guys had a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later. Keep your nose clean and you'll never hear from them.

Again, my two cents worth...

Fly safe!
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I know guys who were furloughed, landed at TMC and quit without having a back-up job.....FWIW
 
ripit37 said:
TMC purchased 7 Hawkers from XOJET. MR. DR. GM can now say he has the biggest charter fleet of Hawkers the next time he is invited to an after show/super bowl party with Celebs like Katie Perry. Mean while he has his pilots sleep in sh#t bag hotels 1.5 hours away from IND on super bowl sunday and double book rooms because he such a cheap a$$. Rockin and rolling 24 making massive amounts of $$$$$$ for you to rock your BULL$HIT low light/back light/high light and pound the high life dewwwww!! What a treat it was to have you as a leader!!!!
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haha, i remember that night! the best part was the 100 dollars shoved in my pocket from apollo jets. i graciously gave that to a stripper the following night! CLOWNS!
 
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Can anyone tell me what the current hiring situation is at TMC? What are the competitive mins? I am aware of all the negatives. I appreciate any help.
 

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