Travel Management, a danger to us all....

[luckydog]

No. We would first need to GET vacation days before they could take them away from us. You call in fatigued and you get the day off, pretty simple. It's amazing some of the insane rumors people will start.

Implying you don't even GET vacation days is a good way to start an insane rumor. And if that's not a rumor, then it is INSANE.

 

[imacdog]

No. We would first need to GET vacation days before they could take them away from us. You call in fatigued and you get the day off, pretty simple. It's amazing some of the insane rumors people will start.

I think I'd go with that insane rumor, versus the insane reality that you don't get vacation days.

 

[CRAWDADDY]

If you leave, you'll lose all those free T-shirts and Atlantic bucks

 

[Skippy]

The two week rotation was hard, but thats why its called work.
I never had a problem with fatigue. I think i used it legitamately 2x in three years-never questioned me.

 

[ghostrider64]

No. We would first need to GET vacation days before they could take them away from us. You call in fatigued and you get the day off, pretty simple. It's amazing some of the insane rumors people will start.

Sounds like "the rumors" are actually facts. The reality is NJA is a decent place, not great. Having TM pick up hundreds of our trips, is a direct assault on our present QOL. Those are indeed "FACTS".

As for the brave who profess 15 days straight isn't a big deal, all the experts, including the NBAA disagree strongly with you.

Personally I've seen a few TM crews approaching that 15 day mark, I assure you they aren't going home feeling as good as the day they went on the road. They looked beaten.

Until you at TM realize that you are indeed hurting our industry, and take up a cause reflecting your desire to change, you'll not see many friends in those QS planes....FACT but once you do, you'll have 3000 new friends...also a FACT

 

[AftCG182]

Implying you don't even GET vacation days is a good way to start an insane rumor. And if that's not a rumor, then it is INSANE.

It's not a rumor. I guess that Management's rationale is "You get a two week vacation every month." I'm still a new guy at TMC, still happy to be employed after almost six months of unemployment after the Avantair debacle. As such, I'm still getting a feel for repeated 15/13 rotations. So far it's not too bad. Not ready to express an opinion on this topic just yet.

Sounds like "the rumors" are actually facts. The reality is NJA is a decent place, not great. Having TM pick up hundreds of our trips, is a direct assault on our present QOL. Those are indeed "FACTS".

As for the brave who profess 15 days straight isn't a big deal, all the experts, including the NBAA disagree strongly with you.

Personally I've seen a few TM crews approaching that 15 day mark, I assure you they aren't going home feeling as good as the day they went on the road. They looked beaten.

Until you at TM realize that you are indeed hurting our industry, and take up a cause reflecting your desire to change, you'll not see many friends in those QS planes....FACT but once you do, you'll have 3000 new friends...also a FACT

I've shared lots of van space with NJ crews. Same blend of friendly and disgruntled guys that I shared van space with when I was back at Avantair. No open hostility so far.

On that note, I just fly the trips that are assigned to me. I don't salivate over one trip versus another. As far as I can tell, nobody does. There's no personal satisfaction about picking up a NJ trip, XO trip, whatever.

 

[el raton]

What does it pay? I heard a 4 year FO makes ~$40k.

 

[johnsonrod]

Is TMC experiencing more attrition than normal given all of the other hiring in the industry (ie airlines)? That schedule sounds less than optimal for anyone with a family...

 

[shanes123]

sounds less than optimal for anyone with a life

 

[NJAowner]

How many trips can TMC cover for NJA? Isn't the TMC fleet just 400XPs and 800XPs?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Is TMC experiencing more attrition than normal given all of the other hiring in the industry (ie airlines)? That schedule sounds less than optimal for anyone with a family...

I'd imagine so. A good friend of mine just punched out from TMC earlier this month after being picked up by a reputable 121 carrier. He said that there was no way he could face a 15/15 schedule long term, even though he was in the process of upgrading there.

His most telling anecdote: He stated that when he turned in his two weeks notice that TMC told him, "don't bother coming in - your employment is over right now, please return all of your company property immediately." I told him that statement was the perfect validation of his decision to part ways with TMC.

 

[imacdog]

How many trips can TMC cover for NJA? Isn't the TMC fleet just 400XPs and 800XPs?

As many as NJA wants them to, up to 11 days per calendar quarter without NJA having to bring any of its own furloughed pilots back on property.

 

[pilotyip]

Is TMC experiencing more attrition than normal given all of the other hiring in the industry (ie airlines)? That schedule sounds less than optimal for anyone with a family...

How come guys are standing in line to get hired at Atlas, Kalitta Int'l, and other ACMI carriers with their 17 day on and 14 day offf?

 

[jonjuan]

How come guys are standing in line to get hired at Atlas, Kalitta Int'l, and other ACMI carriers with their 17 day on and 14 day offf?

Lack of a college degree.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

Ohhhhhh snap