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[shanes123]

KR must be in a bad mood this week!!! Somebody moved his cheese!!! LOL....

 

[Praetorian]

Congrats guys. You've made our profession stronger.

 

[pilotyip]

Congrats guys. You've made our profession stronger.

If you don't get parity with NJ you won't be raising the bar.

 

[realityman]

If you don't get parity with NJ you won't be raising the bar.

Don't listen to this.

See what I mean about a bumpy road? You've only just voted in the union and you already have people judging future results which haven't happened yet. Pilots LOVE to eat ther own.

"The bar" can be a lot of different things. Personally, I'd be thrilled to see everyone do better than Netjets. I love the idea of a "race to the top" rather than how this industry has gone for so many years.

If you don't get parity with NJ on your first contract, but you get something that you're happy with, then you've definitely raised the bar for yourselves. As for the "industry bar", if union representation is working for you and you've successfully improved your working conditions and compensation, then you've raised the industry bar. A flying job that is improving versus going the other way is definitely raising the industry bar.

And the NJ contract, which would appear to be pretty decent compared to others, isn't the only bar to be compared to for raising it. What if you can secure a contract better than the pay and work rules at XOJet? Or better than FLOPS? Or Flex? Now you've given the ones below you something to strive for. The industry begins rising. The bar will be coming up.

Stay strong and unified and ignore the negative comments meant to make you look bad if you don't meet some arbitrary standard set by someone not with your company imposes in you!

 

[Praetorian]

And the NJ contract, which would appear to be pretty decent compared to others, isn't the only bar to be compared to for raising it. What if you can secure a contract better than the pay and work rules at XOJet? Or better than FLOPS? Or Flex? Now you've given the ones below you something to strive for. The industry begins rising. The bar will be coming up.

I don't want to put to fine a point on this because I generally agree with this post and others you've made.

But the fact is the TMC pilots will be ahead of the XO and FX pilots the minute they ratify a CBA containing the standard "just cause" provision, thereby removing their at-will status. This is regardless of what else ends up in their agreement.

 

[t-bone]

I don't want to put to fine a point on this because I generally agree with this post and others you've made.

But the fact is the TMC pilots will be ahead of the XO and FX pilots the minute they ratify a CBA containing the standard "just cause" provision, thereby removing their at-will status. This is regardless of what else ends up in their agreement.

XOs CEO sent out a very interesting note to the pilots, sharing the results of TMCs union vote. He has been paying close attention to the proceedings as they are a close partner of ours. He basically agreed that the union vote was a sign of a failure on the part of management. Will be very interesting to see how he responds to the recently submitted comprehensive proposal with this vote fresh in his memory.

Nice work TMC pilot group!

 

[windshear73]

XOs CEO sent out a very interesting note to the pilots, sharing the results of TMCs union vote. He has been paying close attention to the proceedings as they are a close partner of ours. He basically agreed that the union vote was a sign of a failure on the part of management. Will be very interesting to see how he responds to the recently submitted comprehensive proposal with this vote fresh in his memory.

Nice work TMC pilot group!

Can I get a copy of that email please?

Thanks.

 

[doh]

XOs CEO sent out a very interesting note to the pilots, sharing the results of TMCs union vote. He has been paying close attention to the proceedings as they are a close partner of ours. He basically agreed that the union vote was a sign of a failure on the part of management. Will be very interesting to see how he responds to the recently submitted comprehensive proposal with this vote fresh in his memory.

Nice work TMC pilot group!

I wouldn't mind a pm with that email included as well!

 

[t-bone]

I wish I could...however that pesky confidentiality statement at the end could probably get me in some trouble!

 

[ghostrider64]

If you TM guys need any help on the road, please introduce yourselves to the NJA guys. I'm hoping they will pat you on the back as I would.

Good luck in your upcoming negotiation, and we all wish you great future success.