Too much emphasis on college

[pilotyip]

Rick Edelman, syndicated financial advisor, is the host of a radio talk show. I was listening to him today and he went into a college is not for everyone presentation. Said according to his research of seven fastest growing jobs in the next decade only two required a college education. Going to his financial side, he said too many parents are going too deep into dept to send their kids to college and get degrees that do not lead to a job. This threatens the parent’s retirement and is not necessary. Now get this, he said an education is necessary to get a job in today's economy, but is not necessarily a college education. Too much emphasis on college

 

[Seadogrun]

I don't think that kids getting a college education is a bad thing. I think parrents sacrificing their retirement to give it to them is. You can always finace education, however, you can not finance your retirement. So if you have to choose one over the other take care of your retirement. If you don't the kids are going to end up paying anyway!

 

[pilotyip]

jobs

I don't think that kids getting a college education is a bad thing.

if that education leads to a job

 

[TheBeaver]

The 30 fastest-growing occupations, 2008-18
(In thousands) (I only listed the top 7)

Occupation; training

Biomedical engineers; Bachelor's degree

Network systems and data communications analysts; Bachelor's degree

Home health aides; Short-term on-the-job training

Personal and home care aides; Short-term on-the-job
training

Financial examiners; Bachelor's degree

Medical scientists, except epidemiologists; Doctoral degree

Physician assistants; Master's degree

 

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The 30 fastest-growing occupations, 2008-18
(In thousands) (I only listed the top 7)

Occupation; training

Biomedical engineers; Bachelor's degree

Network systems and data communications analysts; Bachelor's degree

Home health aides; Short-term on-the-job training

Personal and home care aides; Short-term on-the-job
training

Financial examiners; Bachelor's degree

Medical scientists, except epidemiologists; Doctoral degree

Physician assistants; Master's degree

You can also have a J.D from Harvard and ruin the economy of the United States.

 

[satpak77]

bottom line is SKILLS that the MARKETPLACE NEEDS is what gets people jobs. Speak a foreign language, have computer skills, etc = more employable than a guy who can't write his own name or do simple math.

I recently underwent a self-initiated full-package cardio eval, (middle age now) and Radiology Tech told me he makes 85K a year. 1M population city with major hospitals and healthcare. 2 year degree, according to him. He said he will never be unemployed, with all the baby boomers, etc. He made a point to emphasis never. He said he had his job "lined up" before he even graduated.

His employer reimbursed half of his training.......(WTF !!!! Find that in this industry)

Hmm....

 

[pilotyip]

but not a real person

I recently underwent a self-initiated full-package cardio eval, (middle age now) and Radiology Tech told me he makes 85K a year. 1M population city with major hospitals and healthcare. 2 year degree, according to him. He said he will never be unemployed, with all the baby boomers, etc. He made a point to emphasis never. He said he had his job "lined up" before he even graduated.

His employer reimbursed half of his training.......(WTF !!!! Find that in this industry)

Hmm....

But according to the FI regulars he can never be real person you would want to hang out with or be seen with in public with because he does not have a college degree. The degree is the only thing that will define success in anyone's life.

 

[bizicmo]

The 30 fastest-growing occupations, 2008-18
(In thousands) (I only listed the top 7)

Occupation; training

Biomedical engineers; Bachelor's degree

Network systems and data communications analysts; Bachelor's degree

Home health aides; Short-term on-the-job training

Personal and home care aides; Short-term on-the-job
training

Financial examiners; Bachelor's degree

Medical scientists, except epidemiologists; Doctoral degree

Physician assistants; Master's degree

what about pilot? I thought the hiring boom was coming.

 

[JD2003]

what about pilot? I thought the hiring boom was coming.

The hiring boom is coming and a college degree will not matter much. A college degree has absolutely nothing to do with flying an airplane.

 

[pilotyip]

my hero

The hiring boom is coming and a college degree will not matter much. A college degree has absolutely nothing to do with flying an airplane.

someone gets it

 

[surveypilot]

While I agree that a college degree has nothing to do with flying airplanes, what most pilots miss is that (at least in the general aviation side of the house, where I have spent all of my career) flying the airplane is only a very small part of the job. My thinking ability, common sense, business sense, customer service skills and ability to be a jack of all trades have landed jobs and kept me employed throughout the years. Where did I get those skills? Some did come from my educational background (high school college, and some graduate school). However, most of it came from paying attention and learning everything that I could from people who had more experience than me. Is college required? No, but it is part of an overall package that makes me the professional that I am today.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I considered that

bottom line is SKILLS that the MARKETPLACE NEEDS is what gets people jobs. Speak a foreign language, have computer skills, etc = more employable than a guy who can't write his own name or do simple math.

I recently underwent a self-initiated full-package cardio eval, (middle age now) and Radiology Tech told me he makes 85K a year. 1M population city with major hospitals and healthcare. 2 year degree, according to him. He said he will never be unemployed, with all the baby boomers, etc. He made a point to emphasis never. He said he had his job "lined up" before he even graduated.

His employer reimbursed half of his training.......(WTF !!!! Find that in this industry)


Hmm....

I had always considered a second career in radiology. I had a friend in college that had acquired enogh training and worked at the hospital one 24 hour shift and that paid for his tuition, apartment, etc.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

USA Today article

someone gets it

Someone should paste the USA Today article about the woman who has $75k or $85k of debt for a degree and works as a cashier. It was from June 9th in the business section.

 

[imacdog]

But according to the FI regulars he can never be real person you would want to hang out with or be seen with in public with because he does not have a college degree. The degree is the only thing that will define success in anyone's life.

If you had any reading skills at all, you would have seen that the radiologist does have an associate degree.

 

[pilotyip]

But not a 4 yr

If you had any reading skills at all, you would have seen that the radiologist does have an associate degree.

Yes I can read, but it is not the real degree like a 4 yr degree, which is the only thing that counts as education to many FIer's. BTW If he completed two years of radiology training he probably far surpasses many of the 4 yr degree people in the intensity of learning.

 

[imacdog]

So what you're saying is, yes he did go to college. Well there ya go, YIP.

 

[pilotyip]

but not a real college

So what you're saying is, yes he did go to college. Well there ya go, YIP.

but not a four year degree college, he will never get an interview at DAL with a 2 yr college dgree. To the FI faithful it is only the four year degree that counts as college. Are bucking the FI faithful and declaring a 2 year degree is as good as a 4 year degree? You could be taken to task.

 

[satpak77]

splitting hairs people. "College" = 4 year degree. 2 year degree (no matter if the school itself hangs the letters "college" on the front gate) = vocational type training, ie: specific skill set

 

[imacdog]

but not a four year degree college, he will never get an interview at DAL with a 2 yr college dgree. To the FI faithful it is only the four year degree that counts as college. Are bucking the FI faithful and declaring a 2 year degree is as good as a 4 year degree? You could be taken to task.

That is entirely possible. If an employer wants you to have a 4-year degree then you better have a 4-year degree. I have seen more than one pilot job listing asking applicants to have a 4-year degree. Those who follow the YIP plan need not apply.

 

[jmreii]

Someone should paste the USA Today article about the woman who has $75k or $85k of debt for a degree and works as a cashier. It was from June 9th in the business section.

I wonder if her degree was in a field that's in demand, if not, her problem is poor decision making skills, which will get you fired in any job whether you have a degree or not.

 

[pilotyip]

That is entirely possible. If an employer wants you to have a 4-year degree then you better have a 4-year degree. I have seen more than one pilot job listing asking applicants to have a 4-year degree. Those who follow the YIP plan need not apply.

couldn't agree more, but it is a piece of paper that checks a box and may not add to the knowledge base of the educated.

 

[Wang Wei]

May 2010 statistics from the BLS:

Less than a high school diploma - 15%
High school graduates, no college - 10.9%
Some college or associate degree - 8.9%
Bachelor’s degree and higher - 4.7%


Go to college, kids.

 

[satpak77]

couldn't agree more, but it is a piece of paper that checks a box and may not add to the knowledge base of the educated.

True. With that said, (and you know my real-world opinion on the degree, see my post), if you could afford it, and/or your childs college education would be funded somehow, WOULD you encourage him to attend and obtain a 4-year Bachelor's degree? For Aviation careers (ie Pilot) or anything else for that matter?

 

[pilotyip]

Military route

True. With that said, (and you know my real-world opinion on the degree, see my post), if you could afford it, and/or your childs college education would be funded somehow, WOULD you encourage him to attend and obtain a 4-year Bachelor's degree? For Aviation careers (ie Pilot) or anything else for that matter?

No, I encouraged going straight into the military, however all that being said, a person has to be determined in what skills they want to develop in order to earn a living. That is not what going to college is for many people. I have seen too many people succeed without a "4 YEAR" college degree, and I have seen too many people, mostly nieces and nephews, with 4-yr degrees, with marketable skills.

 

[satpak77]

No, I encouraged going straight into the military, however all that being said, a person has to be determined in what skills they want to develop in order to earn a living. That is not what going to college is for many people. I have seen too many people succeed without a "4 YEAR" college degree, and I have seen too many people, mostly nieces and nephews, with 4-yr degrees, with marketable skills.

I understand. When I read reports of XXX college grads can't find work (and yes, this economy is tough, but....) , I wonder if American teachers and parents (heavy on the parents) need to spend more energy at vocational/career counseling and prep for their kids. More "what jobs will exist in 5 years" type stuff.

Too many kids graduating with "Business Administration" degrees or "Political Science", etc but no real direction.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

At age 18, you're asking a lot of a person to decide what they want to do with themselves when it comes to a career choice. Go to college fore 4-years and take all of the GE requirements, and by year 2 of college you may have a better idea of what you want to get a degree in.

As much as you hate it Yip, if you have aspirations to work for any number of Major/Legacy carriers, it's off to college you go.

 

[J.Otto]

didnt read all the other responses.

college is about MORE than attaining employment. It is much much more. It is an education! ...both cultrually and academically.

Education is requsite to employment. Most jobs have OJT which often has little to do with formal learning. however, formal learning does assist in making one more diverse and varied, with an ability to draw fro ma broader well of knowledge.

pilotyip, why'd you even bother to go to college or even get your Masters.

 

[pilotyip]

Coolege so what

didnt read all the other responses.

college is about MORE than attaining employment. It is much much more. It is an education! ...both cultrually and academically.

Education is requsite to employment. Most jobs have OJT which often has little to do with formal learning. however, formal learning does assist in making one more diverse and varied, with an ability to draw fro ma broader well of knowledge.

pilotyip, why'd you even bother to go to college or even get your Masters.

Another elitist attitude I see, "If you did not go to college, you are not as good as me" "No one can be a real person without a college education" and "One should never be judged by the content of their character, success in life, success in raising children who lead productive lives". People should only be judged on the possession of a piece of paper. Is that what you mean? I beat you work in a HR department? BTW My master's helped me through unemployment I got $400 a month over cost of school on the GI Bill. Good deal, plus I like learning and probably helped me get promoted, promotion boards like paper also. BTW2 My brother-in law, owns a Muffler Shop, (non-college graduate) lives in a neighborhood with Doctors, Lawyers. In addition, other professionals because he makes over $200K per year. Sends his kids to private schools, lots of vacations, etc. If you want to make money go to a trade school out of high school and run a muffler shop. Better fine out where he lives, he might even be in your neighborhood, just think of what he might do to the housing values.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Yip,

Have you read this book?

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=millionaire+next+door&cid=12145446019470370843&ei=M6sfTNKyMpaq2ATH5NnvCw&sa=image&ved=0CAkQ8gIwADgA#p

If not, it may do you some good to get rid of some of your own misperceptions about who the "rich" in our country may or may not be.

You'll probably be able to draw parallels between the lifestyles that pilots lead when you read about Doctors and Lawyers too.

 

[pilotyip]

good book

Yea I have heard of the book, maybe the Book Channel. From what I remember this was 5-6 years ago, many of them do not have colleges, but they are smart in many ways beyond a college education. They know how to do something people need, they live below their means and have been married to the same person. So I agree with with how you get there. Might make a good read, give more info to prove college is not the only road to success, however one measures success,