Told Ya!!!!!!!!

[Flightbag]

All you chumps at FLOPS decided to not have a union so stop your bitch'n.

A while back many a FLOPS pilot asked me when we were going to get a contract because Ricci had said he'd pay you better. I used to reply "oh, you want us to do the heavy lifting so you can reap the rewards".

Now that you are hurting you want the NetJets boys and girls to save your bacon.

Bear in mind, ASAP didn't just show up, it took hard work and sacrafice by a lot of folks. It was financed by donations from dedicated pilots, who's families did without to make it happen.

It's my guess, you FLOPS pilots don't have the courage, smarts or moxie to help yourselves.

Flightbag

 

[FracCapt]

All you chumps at FLOPS decided to not have a union so stop your bitch'n.

It's my guess, you FLOPS pilots don't have the courage, smarts or moxie to help yourselves.

STFU, schmuck boy. I'm glad you don't represent the majority of the NJA pilots. Just FYI....MANY of us HAVE sent in Union cards. Based on the people I have heard from on the road, it may even be the majority. Then again, I was told that the IBT require 70%+ of the cards returned before they will petition the NMB for a vote.

I hope I meet you on the road, and you say exactly the same thing to my face. It would be nice to be able to straighten out one of you losers that talk big on a message board.

 

[Frac Daddy]

And what's up with the crew meals? Sounds like Scheeringa is going to CUT these too. He doesn't realize that most of us FLY FOR FOOD.

Interesting. About a month ago I heard they were going to start deducting our crew meals from our per diem.

 

[jetwash]

If they cut out meals, I hope they are going to give us an hour for breakfast, lunch and dinner. If I have to fly 8 hours I hope they will plan on some down time for the aircraft so the pilots can get a crew car and go for an hour lunch. If not the pax will wait until the pizza i ordered arrives from Dominos and I have time to eat it.

 

[choppengruven]

Flightbag

Troll Alert!

 

[Fozzy]

Troll? I am not so sure. Flightbag is just letting off some steam. All these years of listening to all the other frac's questions about OUR contract. "When is that contract going to be done so we can get a raise?". "Why are you guys with the IBT, they don't do anything for you? Look at your pay, we are getting more."

Well now look at you all. Ya, he might have been a bit harsh, but the truth hurts. Didn't you all have a chance to go union??? Didn't you vote it down???

And now you are up the creek with no padel (contract). Sorry, I don't feel sorry for you all.

Prove him and us all wrong. Fight for yourselves, not with us. We have a big enough battle without your whinning pilot group. If you are up for the fight, and it will be a battle, we can help. But untill that time, stop whinning and get to work.

 

[Flightbag]

Hey FracCapt:

I also hope I meet you on the road. I prefer face to face meetings myself. What do you fly?

Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I have said what I wrote on this BB to many a FLOPS pilot face to face. That was back a while ago when you guys were farting through silk. I guess the Ricci cool aid got rancid huh.

Flightbag

 

[Live4flyng]

Attention FLOPS pilots

http://www.njasap.com/archives/wooden.html

You need to read this.

 

[hawkercpt]

well

we could, but a user name and password are needed. So, either post us one or cut and paste what it is.

 

[choppengruven]

Flightbag

All you chumps at FLOPS decided to not have a union so stop your bitch'n.

It's my guess, you FLOPS pilots don't have the courage, smarts or moxie to help yourselves.

You are doing nothing for yourself by delibertly taking personalattacksagainst another pilot group. You sound sour in the worst wayman. Takeabreak man grab a beer drink it till its gone and relax,thenshove thatbottle right up your ass till it reaches that stiff neck ofyours.

Flame suit on and fully charged.

 

[Flightbag]

Choppengruven:

I'm not sour at all, just realistic.

By the way, all that sweet talk isn't going to get you anywhere with me.

Flightbag

 

[choppengruven]

Just looking for your sweet spot thats all

 

[On Your Six]

Choppengruven:

I'm not sour at all, just realistic.

By the way, all that sweet talk isn't going to get you anywhere with me.

Flightbag

Can't you just feel the love?

Hey, it's true that FLOPS should have joined a union long ago for protection, but that ship has sailed and now something needs to be done besides just the constant b!tching that we are hearing. What sorts of proactive things can FLOPS crewmembers do now? It sounds like the situation at FLOPS is a lot worse than we all thought....

 

[Live4flyng]

we could, but a user name and password are needed. So, either post us one or cut and paste what it is.

Try thhttp://www.fracpilot.com/fromwoodenwings.pdf

Or go to www.fracpilot.com and scroll down about half way on the right side of the page "From Wooden Wings"

 

[minimums]

All you chumps at FLOPS decided to not have a union so stop your bitch'n.

This isn't quite true. A vote took place during the Travel Air days. That vote failed. It is my guess that it failed because of the lack of success by the Teamsters at NJ's. Your old MEC and Union let you down.

A while back many a FLOPS pilot asked me when we were going to get a contract because Ricci had said he'd pay you better. I used to reply "oh, you want us to do the heavy lifting so you can reap the rewards".

This was a true statement 2+ years ago when Ricci was at the helm. Ever since then, I have heard the same nonsense coming from a few, select pilots. That promise went out the window with the change in leadership and management.

Bear in mind, ASAP didn't just show up, it took hard work and sacrafice by a lot of folks. It was financed by donations from dedicated pilots, who's families did without to make it happen.

You are right. Everyone involved with ASAP deserves kudos. I just hope that they are successful in their intentions and the Teamsters work with your MEC.

It's my guess, you FLOPS pilots don't have the courage, smarts or moxie to help yourselves.Flightbag

This is like saying that all 2000 of NJ's pilots were instrumental in organizing and creating ASAP. I am sure that it was a select few pilots and their families that put blood, sweat, and tears into this organization. Just because one of our idiot pilots spouts off and acts like a fool, it doesn't mean we are all illegitimate children. I have sat around and drank many "beverages" with guys and gals from all the fractionals, and you know what? We aren't all that different, it's just the management that is different.

Fly safe.