To the Skywest Crew with "Severe Icing" in DEN today...

[Cardinal]

Gosh I hope my family never rides on one of your flights. Your 'complete the mission at all costs' attitude is distrubing to say the least.

If one of these 'costs' is an ex-CFI's pride as he inaccurately reports something he has no experience with...yes, that's a price I'm willing to pay.

 

[chperplt]

If the ice in DEN was as bad as these other posters act like it was - yes. But it wasn't.

Stop before you make everyone else think you're an ass....

 

[mamba20]

Dude chill out! So arrivals went to hell for awhile. Big deal! Hate to tell you this but the reason we are paid at all is to MAKE THESE KIND OF DECISIONS!!! Maybe he overreacted and maybe he didn't, you werent in his airplane and didnt see what he saw/felt. He acted in the INTEREST OF SAFETY enough that not only was he concerned about his own flight, he also felt it prudent to tell others what he thought was a potentially dangerous situation.

I'm not sure if your aware of this but air currents tend to move. Thats why they are called air CURRENTS. What is light ice here could be severe ice not a mile away.

Grow up and try to think in the interest of safety as a pilot should and not as a manager and worry about how long your holding or having to divert. Thats what we are paid to do!

 

[wmuflyguy]

What are you talking about? The Hoser engineers PROMISE us that the tail is "immune" to icing in the CRJ. (very TIC).

Nothing like doing a postlfight and almost getting whacked in the head by Ice falling from the tail. I still wonder how much the artificial feel in the CRJ masks the ices effects on aerodynamics.

 

[mamba20]

Stop before you make everyone else think you're an ass....

LOL, thats great you give him the chance but I think its a little late for that!

 

[Soverytired]

(double post, oops)

 

[Soverytired]

If the ice in DEN was as bad as these other posters act like it was - yes. But it wasn't.

Guess these planes were filled with other "chickens" as well. BTW, unless Skywest started flying Airbuses or MD10's, I think it was another PIREP that slowed you down.

Guess those pesky legacy carrier pilots are idiots as well. Pity all pilots aren't as smart as you.

They should probably update their flying knowledge from books written about flying during the what, 1950's? BTW, I think you missed the whole point of "Fate is the Hunter."



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PIREPS DEN FOR SEVERE ICING LAST 12 HOURS:

(numerous reports of moderate icing not listed, but you can be 100% certain most of those were from pilots who had SEVERE icing but were afraid of delaying their next flight or admitting they just screwed up . . . very stupid, IMHO)


DEN UUA /OV DEN180021/TM 2119/FLUNKN/TP A346/TA M07/IC SEV RIME 080-100

UUA /OV DEN180020/TM 2310/FL090/TP MD10/TA UNK/IC MOD-SEV RIME090-070/RM COR FAP 35R

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[Soverytired]

Nothing like doing a postlfight and almost getting whacked in the head by Ice falling from the tail. I still wonder how much the artificial feel in the CRJ masks the ices effects on aerodynamics.

Amen to that. This was a "coming to Jesus" moment for me and icing.

Not something to screw around with.

 

[8HourPilot]

Exactly what you said, artificial feel masks a lot of things.
Cardinal, you need to walk away.

Nothing like doing a postlfight and almost getting whacked in the head by Ice falling from the tail. I still wonder how much the artificial feel in the CRJ masks the ices effects on aerodynamics.

 

[rickair7777]

Cardinal:

There is a well known and respected training CA at SKW who lost all control of a CRJ on an ILS in South Dakota due to severe airframe icing which occured with no warning...

The thing rolled off the LOC and dove for the dirt...the CA realizing he had almost no controll decided that it wouldn't hurt any more to hit the ground faster, so he fire-walled it. Fortunately he picked up enough airspeed at the last second to get some aerodynamic control and plant the thing on the runway. This guy basically KNEW he was dead and had to make the decision that more speed couldn't hurt and might help. How would you like to be in THAT situation?

Everybody at SKW knows this story, so they operate as though the monster in the closet is real, cuz we know it is...

 

[Cardinal]

Cardinal:

There is a well known and respected training CA at SKW who lost all control of a CRJ on an ILS in South Dakota due to severe airframe icing which occured with no warning...

Finally, an enlightening, explanatory post. This tale frames the situation and reduces my level of ignorance - much more helpful than being reminded that I'm a moron (I already knew that). Thank you rickair.

I apologize to the crew for criticizing them in a difficult situation.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

What's crow taste like?

 

[Cardinal]

Yummy.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

Yummy.

Does it overtake the foot taste?

 

[doh]

What's crow taste like?

Prolly a lot better than a dirt sandwich(nap)!