To the jetBlue pilot too lazy to send in an interest card

[clickclickboom]

I dont think he was making a snap judgement I think he was actually trying to be helpful.

 

[B6Driver]

If you guy see me as the enemy or problem, you'll never succeed because you don't focus on the real issue. Bring the players together, don't push them away.

 

[Splert]

It is okay to say you are a no voter and will always be a no voter.

Cheese and rice!!

 

[clickclickboom]

 

[B6Driver]

 

[crash312]

If you guy see me as the enemy or problem, you'll never succeed because you don't focus on the real issue. Bring the players together, don't push them away.

Did you vote for ALPA last time. Will you vote for ALPA this time. If not ALPA, then have you setup up an organizing committee for another union to come on property?

If the answer is NO to the above then you are the problem.

As the great orator George Bush said...if you not with us you're against us.

I think he also said this when discussing his very coherent argument against ALPA.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again." ?Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

Get over it. ALPA is our best chance to regain some dignity (and money, work rules, health insurance, vacation, sick time, merger protection, job protection, scope, etc) in this industry.

Times change...you know this place is not what it once was and/or promised. Your views on big bad ALPA need to change too. You are hurting yourself and the rest of the pilots here.

 

[pilotyip]

Get over it. ALPA is our best chance to regain some dignity in this industry.

I think JB rates pretty high on the dignity scale when compared to most flying jobs in the US. Pilots coming from my place seem very happy there, could things be pretty yea probably, but dignity is not one of the things way up on their lists. Remember you do go into this career looking for a place that will give you dignity, respect, recognition etc.

 

[Blue Dude]

I think JB rates pretty high on the dignity scale when compared to most flying jobs in the US. Pilots coming from my place seem very happy there, could things be pretty yea probably, but dignity is not one of the things way up on their lists. Remember you do go into this career looking for a place that will give you dignity, respect, recognition etc.

It's not real dignified to have to receive assistance from your peers for financial help because a medical event "covered" by the company medical plan has bankrupted you. It's not real dignified to beg every year for average pay and benefits in return for above average performance and have to listen to all the reasons why "no" is the only acceptable answer, time and time again. It's not real dignified to try in spite of it all to do the right thing by your customers and co-workers, only to be foiled by some company drone because "you just don't have the big picture here". Must I continue?

 

[B6Driver]

PMA=BPF at all other airlines. One more safety net available to help you and your family out in serious times of need; pilots helping fellow pilots. The rest of the things you listed are to be expected. Nobody in life gives you anything without a fight, especially your employer.:bomb:

 

[Blue Dude]

PMA=BPF at all other airlines. One more safety net available to help you and your family out in serious times of need; pilots helping fellow pilots. The rest of the things you listed are to be expected. Nobody in life gives you anything without a fight, especially your employer.:bomb:

The BPF is a wonderful program. I support it wholeheartedly. The problem is that it is sometimes used as a safety net for the worst medical plan in the industry. No major airline pilot should be faced with bankruptcy or other severe financial distress as a result of a covered medical event. The fault for this needs to be laid at the feet of the company, and nowhere else. It certainly isn't "dignified".

 

[B6Driver]

Why does your dignity come from JetBlue again?

 

[Blue Dude]

Why does your dignity come from JetBlue again?

Ask Yip. You got me.

 

[pilotyip]

Ask Yip. You got me.

Who me, I always thought dignity came from the person who preserves their own status. Demanding dignity from a company is kind of like demanding respect, where you become outraged because you have been "dissed"

 

[Flyer1015]

PMA=BPF at all other airlines. One more safety net available to help you and your family out in serious times of need; pilots helping fellow pilots. The rest of the things you listed are to be expected. Nobody in life gives you anything without a fight, especially your employer.:bomb:

What is PMA and BPF?

 

[Dizel8]

What is PMA and BPF?

Pilot Mutual Aid, or something close to same.

BPF, Blue Pilot Fund, is a similar concept.

 

[Dizel8]

Why does your dignity come from JetBlue again?

If I recall correctly, you were very proud of your time at TWA and you made sure everyone knew you were employed there.

 

[dicko]

I have friends at almost every other major flying narrow body aircraft. I get a schedule description from the guys flying my commutes. They all get their schedule statistics from their respective unions. Do you not trust the information that is distributed from their unions? When my friends tell me their average schedule award is 70-80 hours with 14-17 days off, is it hard to figure out what their average daily credit is?

Here is the point that I think you're missing. Let's use your 'friend' at Delta that was hired in the last wave in 2010. Let's say he has a modest credit of 78 hours in a month -

1. His pay rate is 28% higher as A320 FO.

2. His Retirement is double.

3. His profit sharing is much higher and his health care is much lower.

The point is - your peer is being paid more to fly what you believe are equally productive trips. Saying that your friend at a major has just as unproductive trips, doesn't make it defensible for you. Your compensation is vastly different in every way for each hour of credit and every year worked.

 

[Smarta$$]

Here is the point that I think you're missing. Let's use your 'friend' at Delta that was hired in the last wave in 2010. Let's say he has a modest credit of 78 hours in a month -

1. His pay rate is 28% higher as A320 FO.

2. His Retirement is double.

3. His profit sharing is much higher and his health care This
much lower.

The point is - your peer is being paid more to fly what you believe are equally productive trips. Saying that your friend at a major has just as unproductive trips, doesn't make it defensible for you. Your compensation is vastly different in every way for each hour of credit and every year worked.

This "Delta" you speak of, is that the same Delta that just reported more profit over a 3 month period than my company has reported in its 13 year history?

The discussion was specifically about trip productivity. I am missing nothing. I don't recommend JB over legacy airlines. I think people should go to better paying airlines with better benefits and WAY more career progression from retirements and widebody aircraft. Even if we had the same pay rates and benefits as DL, your career at JB would be FAR less valuable....

By the way, DL retirement is not double ours, unless you lump in profit sharing. Our retirement is 13%, but we have NO actual profit sharing plan, so as a combined benefit, yeah probably double. But again, I don't recommend people stay here.

Now to suggest that JB has full ability to pay DL full pay and benefits is delusional. They can't without dramatically changing our growth rate. Period. Hence, people should leave for the big legacy airlines or Alaska who is much more profitable, but much slower growing. At least until DL keeps throwing more competing SEA flights at them.

 

[pilotyip]

Now to suggest that JB has full ability to pay DL full pay and benefits is delusional.

Union supporters delusional? Is that what is being said here?

 

[Smarta$$]

Union supporters delusional? Is that what is being said here?

No. I am a union supporter. But we generate profits like a tiny mouse when compared to DL or the other airlines in our peerset. Even our "record" profits are embarrassing.