To the jetBlue pilot too lazy to send in an interest card

[Smarta$$]

If you never pick up flying, which makes you more of a min schedule guy, how are you making so much less money?

Besides our atrocious health care...

 

[B6Driver]

If you choose to pick up extra flying / money or not, the choice is yours. Why is it even an issue?

 

[clickclickboom]

healthcare is a large portion of it but just a couple years ago the 16 hour 4 day didnt exist neither did 10 hour three days or even 21 hour 4 days.

The BAD trips were 23 hr trips and the good ones were 26 to 29 hr 4 days.. Plus you didnt need to be senior to get them.

We also had 13:30's two of those back to back were 27 hrs,, now they are 10-11 hrs trips with night overide.. ill take 27hrs vs 22 any day of the week. Almost forgot about the extra $65 of night override to make up for the $750 of lost pay..

These are just two examples add in reductions in productivity, lower bid divisiors, productivity sits, aggressive pick up the list goes on and they all add up to a lower w2

 

[Smarta$$]

roger.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Per Rob, 25% of the LGB pairings are 10.5 or 11 hour 3-days.

 

[Smarta$$]

Per Rob, 25% of the LGB pairings are 10.5 or 11 hour 3-days.

What time do they usually start and end? Sorry, I'm a 190 guy, our 3 days are 15 hours, so I don't know exactly what you are dealing with.

We do NEED a daily rig, without the "average" and "duty period" loopholes...

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

What time do they usually start and end? Sorry, I'm a 190 guy, our 3 days are 15 hours, so I don't know exactly what you are dealing with.

We do NEED a daily rig, without the "average" and "duty period" loopholes...

A typical 10 to 11 hour 3 day trip is simply a 2 leg 3 day transcon trip. It departs on the East coast in the evening and arrives on the West coast later that same night (day 1). Approximately 24 hours later, it departs the West coast late evening on day 2 and arrives on the East coast early morning on day 3. JFK has plenty of these trips. They are extremely unproductive. Many years ago, these trips went senior because they were credited at 13:30. Eventually the company decided to take away the 13:30 credit, and replace it with a night over ride which doesn't come close to the 13:30 credit, and saves the company a lot of money. This is just one example of how the company can change our work rules and there is nothing we can do about it.......that is unless we attain a CBA.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

 

[145 Lawndart]

A typical 10 to 11 hour 3 day trip is simply a 2 leg 3 day transcon trip. It departs on the East coast in the evening and arrives on the West coast later that same night (day 1). Approximately 24 hours later, it departs the West coast late evening on day 2 and arrives on the East coast early morning on day 3. JFK has plenty of these trips. They are extremely unproductive. Many years ago, these trips went senior because they were credited at 13:30. Eventually the company decided to take away the 13:30 credit, and replace it with a night over ride which doesn't come close to the 13:30 credit, and saves the company a lot of money. This is just one example of how the company can change our work rules and there is nothing we can do about it.......that is unless we attain a CBA.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

Or..

For LGB crews its a redeye to the east coast (IAD). 24 hour layover with a 6am (3am body clock) departure back to the west coast.

 

[N311HK]

Don't forget the 16.5hr 4 days or 23hr 5 days.

 

[clickclickboom]

non commutable 16.5 hr 4 days

 

[B6Driver]

Remember when there was no LGB?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

One of my all time favorites......0501am departures from the islands. For those not familiar with our night override pay, it ends at 0500am.

 

[Smarta$$]

non commutable 16.5 hr 4 days

Can you explain this one?

 

[Splert]

Jetblue says it is a 3 day which most pilots and FLiCA count as a 4 day for swap, drop and QOL purposes.

 

[BeachBummer]

Hmmm, like a 1 duty period red eye that requires 2 rsv pilots to fly. Funny

 

[CaptainSpaz]

non commutable 16.5 hr 4 days

Just FYI, that's not possible with the trip rig.

 

[B6Driver]

1 for 3.5 Trip Rig. Not the greatest but its a start.

 

[N311HK]

1 for 3.5 Trip Rig. Not the greatest but its a start.

So I guess you've never done a DEN 3 day back to back to back. That's 30hrs for 9 days of work. It's a start? No it's an embarrassment. But don't worry, we have guys that sell their youngest for DH turn.

Oh and FYI if you think commuting off a redeye is ok and consider that commutable we really need to rethink our standards

 

[oldxfr8dog]

We have standards?

 

[clickclickboom]

Guess we shouldnt talk about the 21:30credit 3 days we used to do that got done at 5am on day three..

These new pilots trying to " find their way " may just call me a liar

Funny how i pull up my schedules from 6 years ago and I was getting 85-90hrs with 18-20 days off..

Now on a good month i get 16 and typically 15 days off for low 80's credit

At least i am fortunate to get the majority of my flying commutable

Hey its fun to work an extra month and a half more a year for less pay and horrible benefits