To the jetBlue pilot too lazy to send in an interest card

[Smarta$$]

Again you are making stuff up.

I never said we were.

That is all you have. Facts sourced from fiction.

See ya junior.

Fiction? Thanks to our PVC email about scheduling today, I know that JB pilots average about 5.3-5.8 credit hours per day. Do you not trust the PVC?

I have friends at almost every other major flying narrow body aircraft. I get a schedule description from the guys flying my commutes. They all get their schedule statistics from their respective unions. Do you not trust the information that is distributed from their unions? When my friends tell me their average schedule award is 70-80 hours with 14-17 days off, is it hard to figure out what their average daily credit is?

It is pretty hard to have important discussions about our professional circumstances when you limit yourself and others to only information from professional journals and scientific studies.

Either way, I can say I am pro-union. I can say I give JB no forgiveness for our terrible healthcare. I can say that we are, in fact, behind our peers in pay and benefits. I can tell others on this board to go to a real major airline. I have said ALL of these things. But that isn't good enough for you and a few others unless I am willing to light a match or say anything (even if it is a complete fabrication).

 

[Splert]

Dudette, I asked you for your data.

That is all. Then you spun out of control like you always do.

Get a grip.

Do I trust the PSC? The guys that credit 140 plus hour a month and advocate that rigs are 'communistic'.

No I don't. The former Chair is now CS (director of flight ops) bitch in flight operations. Only one way to get to work side by side with evil and that is you are the evil too. But he was our 'advocate'. BS!!

You of course have NO IDEA who I'm referring too because you have a total lack of context of the undercurrent at BlueJet.

 

[Smarta$$]

Dudette, I asked you for your data.

That is all. Then you spun out of control like you always do.

Get a grip.

Do I trust the PSC? The guys that credit 140 plus hour a month and advocate that rigs are 'communistic'.

No I don't. The former Chair is now CS (director of flight ops) bitch in flight operations. Only one way to get to work side by side with evil and that is you are the evil too. But he was our 'advocate'. BS!!

You of course have NO IDEA who I'm referring too because you have a total lack of context of the undercurrent at BlueJet.

1. The PSC guys I have met are d-bags as well.

2. I was told by some of my union negotiators/reps the same thing about trip and duty rigs at my last airline.

 

[Splert]

The two structures are similar, huh?

 

[clickclickboom]

Instead of all this bs between the two of you we should post year over year w2's and that should pretty much end the smartass questioning everyone and anyone that does not tout the company line ( even though he pretends to be a big union supporter and knows all our shortfalls )

Afterall I have received a " RAISE " the last three years and made less EVERY YEAR. I am sure nearly every pilot that has been here over 5 years has experienced the same.

Im not even talking about the $15k out of pocket this year for health care and the last $800 bill i got for a simple trip to the dermatologist..

Company coined the phrase " power users " will see a slight increase the other 70% will save money.. Thats the facts you should be trying to disprove not your brothers

This year will be no different..

Smarta$$ if you are so pro pilot why do you question anyones post on here that is not pro company? I just dont get it..

And yes we have flown before

 

[Splert]

70% will save money
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. into an HRA which will be promptly confiscated upon retirement or after a non power user quits.

So everyone pays more.

 

[B6Driver]

Instead of all this bs between the two of you we should post year over year w2's and that should pretty much end the smartass questioning everyone and anyone that does not tout the company line ( even though he pretends to be a big union supporter and knows all our shortfalls )

Afterall I have received a " RAISE " the last three years and made less EVERY YEAR. I am sure nearly every pilot that has been here over 5 years has experienced the same.

Im not even talking about the $15k out of pocket this year for health care and the last $800 bill i got for a simple trip to the dermatologist..

Company coined the phrase " power users " will see a slight increase the other 70% will save money.. Thats the facts you should be trying to disprove not your brothers

This year will be no different..

And yes we have flown before

Sorry but I and many other pilots made more each and every year.
I also do the HSA so when I retire, It goes with me.

 

[Splert]

Congrats

You are being changed $960 a year to save $1,760 and for a saving account with a $5,690 max.

Btw SWA HSA is $11. A month with very similar underlying coverage.

 

[B6Driver]

I don't follow all your numbers but SWA does have a much better deal. Good for them, wish it was us.
Everything I can do to avoid taxes is a welcomed opportunity.

 

[Splert]

Green price is X.

Blue is X plus $80 per month (family rate).

Major difference is RX is subject to the deductible and HSA vs HRA.

After the max $1760 is deposited into the HSA , which is your money from inflated premiums the HSA can only hold about $5,600.

Paying $80 a month is a very expensive tax deferred account. You would do much better funding a variable annuity and take the green plan.

 

[Smarta$$]

Instead of all this bs between the two of you we should post year over year w2's and that should pretty much end the smartass questioning everyone and anyone that does not tout the company line ( even though he pretends to be a big union supporter and knows all our shortfalls )

Afterall I have received a " RAISE " the last three years and made less EVERY YEAR. I am sure nearly every pilot that has been here over 5 years has experienced the same.

Im not even talking about the $15k out of pocket this year for health care and the last $800 bill i got for a simple trip to the dermatologist..

Company coined the phrase " power users " will see a slight increase the other 70% will save money.. Thats the facts you should be trying to disprove not your brothers

This year will be no different..

Smarta$$ if you are so pro pilot why do you question anyones post on here that is not pro company? I just dont get it..

And yes we have flown before

Frankly, I have said several times that I am not happy with many things JB. When I read your post above, it seems you only hear what you want to hear out of my posts and don't take in the entire message. Basically, if in don't agree with 100%, but only 90%, you attach to me motives and sentiments that I do NOT harbor.

 

[B6Driver]

Green price is X.

Blue is X plus $80 per month (family rate).

Major difference is RX is subject to the deductible and HSA vs HRA.

After the max $1760 is deposited into the HSA , which is your money from inflated premiums the HSA can only hold about $5,600.

Paying $80 a month is a very expensive tax deferred account. You would do much better funding a variable annuity and take the green plan.

Boy-oh-boy, it seems you give guidance on just about everything I see.
I'm pretty comfortable with the choices I've made in life to this point so thanks but thanks anyway.

 

[Splert]

Go to Chase. If they charge $960 a year for a tax preferred account with a max of less than $6000 run away becuase b of A offers the same for free.

But it make sense to go with Chase because they have blue shirts too.

Brillant!

 

[clickclickboom]

Splert dont try to provide factual, rational, or potentially informative information how dare you .. It s a great deal you know pay a million to get a thousand.

 

[clickclickboom]

Boy-oh-boy, it seems you give guidance on just about everything I see.
I'm pretty comfortable with the choices I've made in life to this point so thanks but thanks anyway.

You done with that 4 foot flood wall for the 6 foot high water yet?

 

[B6Driver]

Splert dont try to provide factual, rational, or potentially informative information how dare you .. It s a great deal you know pay a million to get a thousand.

Oh the drama.......

 

[B6Driver]

You done with that 4 foot flood wall for the 6 foot high water yet?

Is this supposed to mean something or is this more of the same?:crying:

 

[Splert]

I'm good with his decision too.

It is a waste of money but I cool with that.

Jetblue HSA is extremely over priced compared to what is available on the non blue shirted open market. For some reason the Blue Shirt is very powerful.

It it sort of entertaining.

 

[crash312]

Originally Posted by Splert
Green price is X.

Blue is X plus $80 per month (family rate).

Major difference is RX is subject to the deductible and HSA vs HRA.

After the max $1760 is deposited into the HSA , which is your money from inflated premiums the HSA can only hold about $5,600.

Paying $80 a month is a very expensive tax deferred account. You would do much better funding a variable annuity and take the green plan.

Boy-oh-boy, it seems you give guidance on just about everything I see.
I'm pretty comfortable with the choices I've made in life to this point so thanks but thanks anyway.

This pretty much sums up the typical (majority at last count) JB pilot in two sentences. You can hit them in the face with facts til you are BLUE in the face, but there is no reasoning with them.

 

[B6Driver]

The difference is you're not me and don't know all the details of my situation but go right ahead and make a snap judgment about me; this is an opinion board after all.

 

[clickclickboom]

I dont think he was making a snap judgement I think he was actually trying to be helpful.

 

[B6Driver]

If you guy see me as the enemy or problem, you'll never succeed because you don't focus on the real issue. Bring the players together, don't push them away.

 

[Splert]

It is okay to say you are a no voter and will always be a no voter.

Cheese and rice!!

 

[clickclickboom]

 

[B6Driver]

 

[crash312]

If you guy see me as the enemy or problem, you'll never succeed because you don't focus on the real issue. Bring the players together, don't push them away.

Did you vote for ALPA last time. Will you vote for ALPA this time. If not ALPA, then have you setup up an organizing committee for another union to come on property?

If the answer is NO to the above then you are the problem.

As the great orator George Bush said...if you not with us you're against us.

I think he also said this when discussing his very coherent argument against ALPA.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again." ?Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

Get over it. ALPA is our best chance to regain some dignity (and money, work rules, health insurance, vacation, sick time, merger protection, job protection, scope, etc) in this industry.

Times change...you know this place is not what it once was and/or promised. Your views on big bad ALPA need to change too. You are hurting yourself and the rest of the pilots here.

 

[pilotyip]

Get over it. ALPA is our best chance to regain some dignity in this industry.

I think JB rates pretty high on the dignity scale when compared to most flying jobs in the US. Pilots coming from my place seem very happy there, could things be pretty yea probably, but dignity is not one of the things way up on their lists. Remember you do go into this career looking for a place that will give you dignity, respect, recognition etc.

 

[Blue Dude]

I think JB rates pretty high on the dignity scale when compared to most flying jobs in the US. Pilots coming from my place seem very happy there, could things be pretty yea probably, but dignity is not one of the things way up on their lists. Remember you do go into this career looking for a place that will give you dignity, respect, recognition etc.

It's not real dignified to have to receive assistance from your peers for financial help because a medical event "covered" by the company medical plan has bankrupted you. It's not real dignified to beg every year for average pay and benefits in return for above average performance and have to listen to all the reasons why "no" is the only acceptable answer, time and time again. It's not real dignified to try in spite of it all to do the right thing by your customers and co-workers, only to be foiled by some company drone because "you just don't have the big picture here". Must I continue?

 

[B6Driver]

PMA=BPF at all other airlines. One more safety net available to help you and your family out in serious times of need; pilots helping fellow pilots. The rest of the things you listed are to be expected. Nobody in life gives you anything without a fight, especially your employer.:bomb:

 

[Blue Dude]

PMA=BPF at all other airlines. One more safety net available to help you and your family out in serious times of need; pilots helping fellow pilots. The rest of the things you listed are to be expected. Nobody in life gives you anything without a fight, especially your employer.:bomb:

The BPF is a wonderful program. I support it wholeheartedly. The problem is that it is sometimes used as a safety net for the worst medical plan in the industry. No major airline pilot should be faced with bankruptcy or other severe financial distress as a result of a covered medical event. The fault for this needs to be laid at the feet of the company, and nowhere else. It certainly isn't "dignified".