To ALL UNITED pilots courtesy of ALL UAX carriers and their pilots

[waveflyer]

ok- i'm glad you voted that way- but you are on here constantly belittling the rj pilot and blaming them for mainline's scope failures as if the vast majority wanted to fly that a/p for these sh!tty carriers- when in reality they have been absolutely disenfranchised and had NO vote whatsoever in that area. They fly the flying that you hand them, whether they like it or not-- or-- they can choose to get out of flying or get corporate gigs, just to watch those that stayed w/ it get hired on a majors.
You seem to personify anonymity in numbers. I'm sure noone there at UAL actually voted out scope. Noone in the last decade voted in their current paycuts, did they? (by all means, detect the sarcasm)

Scope isn't made up-- nor is the role that Mainline pilots (YOUR peers IF NOT YOU) played in selling out young pilots and dividing our union.

And i know what i'm talking about.

Just like a whole lot of pilots remember united 'ego' all too well -- so.... we'll open that up to discuss

Anybody else remember mainline pilots calling the guppy a 'light-twin' -- a good joke, gone bad

 

[Mr.B]

ok- i'm glad you voted that way- but you are on here constantly belittling the rj pilot and blaming them for mainline's scope failures as if the vast majority wanted to fly that a/p for these sh!tty carriers- when in reality they have been absolutely disenfranchised and had NO vote whatsoever in that area. They fly the flying that you hand them, whether they like it or not-- or-- they can choose to get out of flying or get corporate gigs, just to watch those that stayed w/ it get hired on a majors.
You seem to personify anonymity in numbers. I'm sure noone there at UAL actually voted out scope. Noone in the last decade voted in their current paycuts, did they? (by all means, detect the sarcasm)

Scope isn't made up-- nor is the role that Mainline pilots (YOUR peers IF NOT YOU) played in selling out young pilots and dividing our union.

And i know what i'm talking about.

Just like a whole lot of pilots remember united 'ego' all too well -- so.... we'll open that up to discuss

Anybody else remember mainline pilots calling the guppy a 'light-twin' -- a good joke, gone bad

Anybody remember express pilots calling the 190 a "guppy killer"? Another good joke gone bad.

Jumpseat on your own airline.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Anybody remember express pilots calling the 190 a "guppy killer"? Another good joke gone bad.

Jumpseat on your own airline.

CLASSIC!

 

[McNugget]

Anybody remember express pilots calling the 190 a "guppy killer"? Another good joke gone bad.

Jumpseat on your own airline.

not this sh!t again. That was an urban legend. Not 1 pilot was identified at CHQ of having a guppy killer sticker on their flight bag. If so, Im sure that pilot would have gotten the sh!t kicked out of him by United pilots and/or fellow chq pilots.

So again, this little guppykiller thing is all fake. It never happened. Probably started by some d!ckhead of a pilot at United. (what I believe. my friend did a lot of research on that incident and couldnt find anything)

So since United Express is growing to have more daiuly departures than United. It should be United Express jumpseat anyway

United changing its name to United Express:laugh:

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

not this sh!t again. That was an urban legend. Not 1 pilot was identified at CHQ of having a guppy killer sticker on their flight bag. If so, Im sure that pilot would have gotten the sh!t kicked out of him by United pilots and/or fellow chq pilots.

So again, this little guppykiller thing is all fake. It never happened. Probably started by some d!ckhead of a pilot at United. (what I believe. my friend did a lot of research on that incident and couldnt find anything)

So since United Express is growing to have more daiuly departures than United. It should be United Express jumpseat anyway

United changing its name to United Express:laugh:

Just remember, if United goes under, so do you.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Just remember, if United goes under, so do you.

Well we only fly for poverty wages so, it won't make much difference right?

 

[Flyerdan]

Seems the UAX letter campaign was a success. Everyone seems to be aware of the UAL software priority problem. Now we just need to see if UAL wants to do the right thing and fix it. Congrats to all the UAX JSC's. Brilliant!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

oh.... yeah... now i remember--- pride. In the late 90's there were plenty of UAL pilots who thought the 73 was a 'light twin'

and meant it.

Ie: you got yours- you're a real pilot, flying heavies.... unionism doesn't work that way, and btw- neither does life

A great union movie is called Matewan with Chris Cooper and James Earl Jones. When the miners were secretly meeting to unionize there was discussion about who to let in...blacks, foreigners... etc.. Chris Coopers' character.....

You think this man is the enemy? Huh? This is a worker! Any union keeps this man out ain't a union, it's a goddam club! They got you fightin' white against colored, native against foreign, hollow against hollow, when you know there ain't but two sides in this world - them that work and them that don't. You work, they don't. That's all you get to know about the enemy.

James Earl Jones walks in... and says..

'I've been called n-----, and I can't help that's the way white folks is, but I ain't never been called no scab! '

 

[waveflyer]

well said!

anyone who divides us is a tool-- guppykillers to 'light twin 777 drivers'

Again-- this jumpseating issue is the smallest of your problems while the united brand is flying over so many different seniority lists

 

[waveflyer]

Anybody remember express pilots calling the 190 a "guppy killer"? Another good joke gone bad.

Jumpseat on your own airline.

yes -- but if that line were true-- who would care if the guppy was killed at united if the 170/190 were flown by United pilots?

 

[Freeze_gopher]

Well said Rez. Infighting between labor groups makes management very happy. No one on this board has the individual power to affect any change. Management puts labor groups in positions that require a settlement (concessions, scope etc vs. furloughs, closing the doors etc). To say that mainline pilots are responsible for this and express pilots are responsible for that is silly. We all go to work when we're supposed to. We all have the same goal...to live a decent life. Squabbling amongst ourselves leaves us with less time to look at issues that really make a significant difference to us all.

 

[waveflyer]

But we're not powerless either.

We need to take responsibility for how we each have created this. My generation has been as guilty as any for chasing the carrot and not valuing what they do in the meantime. The last generation has been guilty of disenfranchising genX and allowing scope to be violated. We've all allowed a certain amount of corruption in our union leadership and not being involved enough to hold them accountable.

But make no mistake-- it didn't 'just happen'. We all got complacent and real comfortable and forgot what it took to make this career a CAREER.

Get involved. It is your duty to at some time serve in your union and know what is going on.

Leadership: It's your duty to create a culture of involvement and service in your union- with a revolving door of line pilots serving. There are things you can do.

 

[Fly2AK]

I keep waiting for cooler heads to prevail...The UAX letter was a mistake of colossal proportions. An information campaign is ok, asking UAL pilots to help is ok, threats are not ok. UAX pilots didn't even know this letter existed let alone what its contents were before it was sent. UAX pilots were not consulted prior to the letter being sent. The response to the letter was predictable. How do people respond to ultimatums....? Not well.
Not one guy I've spoken to is going to deny UAL pilots the jumpseats, I won't, its a ridiculous concept.
Beyond that UAL is going to get a certain level of priority, they pay the freight. The April 07 letter to UAX JSCs asking for priority was not unreasonable. It did not ask for priority over that companies pilots, just everybody else. Plus, the UAL guys have a lot on their plates right now. I have to admit that being perceived as being upset about the ease of my commute seems pretty petty in the face of 1400+ guys losing their jobs.
Common sense and deescalation are needed pronto.

I appreciate your support and understanding. I hope more guys understand that this ultimatum is going to nothing more than create a huge divide amongst pilots. Good luck to you.

 

[getnverted]

Pretty rare I post anything, let alone the same in two forums. The original UAX letter said we would be forced to deny the jumpseat on all airplanes regardless of tail-color:

Daily Departures:

Skywest 1794
Republic 1300
Mesa 800
Colgan 360
GoJets 78

Total 4332

UAL 1550 (prior to parking 737's)

That's 1,550 flights I might want to get on and 4,332 flights you might want to get on. Let's all quit thumping our chests and fix the problem.

 

[Fly2AK]

Seems the UAX letter campaign was a success. Everyone seems to be aware of the UAL software priority problem. Now we just need to see if UAL wants to do the right thing and fix it. Congrats to all the UAX JSC's. Brilliant!!

You think this was a brilliant idea? You need open your eyes, this was one of the dumbest moves your JSC's could have done and some day when you grow up you might see that. Are you one of the express pilot's I have heard say "who cares what I get paid, look at what I'm flying" I heard this when I was an express pilot on several occassions, if so that would explain a lot.

 

[eaglesview]

Pretty rare I post anything, let alone the same in two forums. The original UAX letter said we would be forced to deny the jumpseat on all airplanes regardless of tail-color:

Daily Departures:

Skywest 1794
Republic 1300
Mesa 800
Colgan 360
GoJets 78

Total 4332

UAL 1550 (prior to parking 737's)

That's 1,550 flights I might want to get on and 4,332 flights you might want to get on. Let's all quit thumping our chests and fix the problem.

4332 Flights (not all UA) to CLE MDT ABE TYS ect

1550 Flights to SAN HNL SJU SEA GEG ect.

According to ALPA as of 7/17 won't be a problem for either of us.

 

[eaglesview]

Sorry folks, I can't help myself. When I read stupid crap like post #315 I just fire back. Talk about chest thumping "4332 RJ Flights" rah rah give me a break. Does anybody else see that is not a good thing or is it just me?

 

[Fly2AK]

Pretty rare I post anything, let alone the same in two forums. The original UAX letter said we would be forced to deny the jumpseat on all airplanes regardless of tail-color:

Daily Departures:

Skywest 1794
Republic 1300
Mesa 800
Colgan 360
GoJets 78

Total 4332

UAL 1550 (prior to parking 737's)

That's 1,550 flights I might want to get on and 4,332 flights you might want to get on. Let's all quit thumping our chests and fix the problem.

Well good luck, but I as one UAL pilot and a previous express pilot doesn't appreciate being threatened. I have no control over UAL's software and you want to threaten me with an ultimatum, that doesn't go over very well. Right now all you have accomplished is drive a wedge between me and the UAX pilots supporting this letter. UAL pilot's concern right now is the 950 active pilots that are about to be placed in the unemployment line and trying to support our families. This priority issue can be easily resolved by the UAX pilots to just make a short walk to the gate to make sure the proper priority was followed regardless of what the computer came up with. I did that as an express pilot, why is that difficult for UAX guys. You can control that, I can't control UA's software.

 

[McNugget]

Just remember, if United goes under, so do you.

Not likely. Our EMB170s will fill the market void on their own, and there won't be any jumpseat issues. Maybe there is some truth to the legend of the guppykiller, after all.

 

[Fly2AK]

Sorry folks, I can't help myself. When I read stupid crap like post #315 I just fire back. Talk about chest thumping "4332 RJ Flights" rah rah give me a break. Does anybody else see that is not a good thing or is it just me?

I think you have the wrong post, I had post #315 and said nothing about 4332 RJ flights. that was a couple post before mine.