To All Mesa Pilots

[Fly2Scuba]

"F#@King Mesa!"
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Why?

-- some folks need a big hug, and some love --

Why can't you all threat each other the way you like to be treated??

Start acting like a professional pilot for once..

Friendly regards,
FD

Once again....F#@king Mesa!

Friendly regards,
You'll learn as you spend more time in this industry

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Fly2Scuba

your a dumba$$. I`m speech less with the sh!t that comes out of your mouth. Amazing you are smart enough to fly an airplane. What airline do you fly for, so I can tell my family to avoid your aircraft.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Sir,

I do realise that there is a lot for me to learn about this industry. I'm trying to learn as much as I can each and every day.. Once again sir, what did Mesa pilots do to you? (I'm not talking about Freedom pilots..)

Friendly regards,
FD

 

[ChinaClipper]

McPrickle........

I also know you PFT'd, yet another nail in you "credibility"?. BTW What happend at Mesa has far more importance on whole, than you and I kicking each other in the shins. People should learn the lessons from JO's tactics and talk about what YOU are gonna do to them, not how immature some should be to ANYONE. Rome burns while you fiddle. The "regional" industry has been delt a huge blow to QOL pay etc., has ANYONE figured out a reasonable defense to JO??? Meanwhile, the only response from some has been pointless b itching and fingerpointing, mainly about crew meals. That ain't gonna cut it. Save your end of the profession by TOGETHER responding, individual respones are futual, almost as much as some ALPA MEC's responses have been. The biggest lesson is not being prepared to fight a psychopath shyster and preparation against scortched earth policies they employ. Fight back, the job you save may be your own. PS This is even more pointless compared to what our troops are going through in Iraq. My nephew has been in country for less than two weeks and his unit has nearly 20 Marines KIA. I can't devote anymore time to this trivial BS, Semper FI Jared, Chesty Puller would be proud of my favorite Marine! and for Christ sake Dig a DEEP hole! Adios.......

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Makes Every Situation A$$nine

Sir,

I do realise that there is a lot for me to learn about this industry. I'm trying to learn as much as I can each and every day.. Once again sir, what did Mesa pilots do to you? (I'm not talking about Freedom pilots..)

Friendly regards,
FD

Your inquisite unconfrontational demeaner shall not go unrewarded, RIDETHESCABS...I mean FREEDUMBS...I mean LIGHTNING, on the other hand...get to that in a sec. Must say that I did not specify Mesa pilots, I just said "f#@king Mesa" in my previous post which is a much more holistic view of that company specifically geared towards the @$$holes in charge (Ornstein, etc.) By the way RIDETHELIGHTNING, are you really a pilot? Or are you actually the infamous SOB Ornstein scouring the web from below ground today. Anyways, this subject has been approached numerous times in the past as I'm sure it will in the future. To reiterate in regards to Mesa pilots, they signed a crappy contract that lowered the bargaining power for future negotiations of other carriers. In this order of fault: Ornstein, Freedumb pilots, Mesa MEC, Mesa pilots who voted Yes. My personal experience was jumpseating last spring on Mesa, and the Captain told me he was voting yes so he could continue to build up that PIC ASAP and go to Southwest ASAP. So there you have it and yes once again F#@ing Mesa.
Oh and RIDETHELIGHTENING, I flew with a Captain once whose every other statement was f#$%ing scabs. So don't give me crap for making a generalized statement over the internet. I personally avoid and hope to avoid any heated discussions in the cockpit for safety reasons.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Fair enough. However, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of no voters out there to..

FD

 

[Rottweiller]

Re: They started it!!

Freedom Airlines Pilot List

Sorry, I don't believe the names of these individuals should be made public without their permission.

UAL78
Moderator

Sorry but I and many feel that they should (not that this list isn't freely available from many sources!) Already had to kick some of their sorry a$$e$ off my aircraft and will continue to do so!!

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

scuba

No to everything you said. I am mesa pilot just trying to make things right, why I spend my time here. I`m just sick of the sh!t on this board sometime. But if I am here when the contract comes around again, I will do everything in my power so we get what we have earned. I also carry my Freedumb list at all times, and I hope all of you do too.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

scuba

No to everything you said. I am mesa pilot just trying to make things right, why I spend my time here. I`m just sick of the sh!t on this board sometime. But if I am here when the contract comes around again, I will do everything in my power so we get what we have earned. I also carry my Freedumb list at all times, and I hope all of you do too.

Great

 

[Skybound737]

scuba

No to everything you said. I am mesa pilot just trying to make things right, why I spend my time here. I`m just sick of the sh!t on this board sometime. But if I am here when the contract comes around again, I will do everything in my power so we get what we have earned. I also carry my Freedumb list at all times, and I hope all of you do too.


What HAVE you earned? Thats exactly the point. The low timer bottom feeder "wow, Im an airline pilot!" kiddo's out there have not earned a thing in my opinion. Result: An airline just like MESA. Crappy schedules, 10 days off, 5 day trips, work rules that are unbelievable garbage. Dont worry though, you'll have a good contract in 20 years. Thats how long it takes. Ask those who have been to the puppet show and SEE the strings.

MESA SUCKS...

 

[low-key]

Burger King or Mesa? they both pay the same

 

[flap operator]

I just can't wait for the day that the Coex boys and girls are on the otherside of the fence with their new contract signed. Then the likes of McPickle can finally understand that it's not easy to negotiate in our current times. People like McPickle and the rest of the people adding pilot groups to their $hitlist of airlines can add Coex to the list. Face it... nobody is going to pull a COmair post 9/11. Not right now. Maybe in the next upswing, but it's just not going to happen. Many of us at XJ were uttering the same words you all were up until the last moment and some of us at XJ are STILL ready to strike. I removed all the propaganda from my flight case except for the READY TO STRIKE sticker. Only I wrote in 'STLL' in the proper place.

As an XJ FO who proudly voted NO for our contract, it's so disheartening to sit back and watch the Mesaba bashing, the Mesa bashing and the CHaut. bashing . I did my fair share of Mesa name calling whilst in our negotiations and was a bit disapointed in the Chautauqua contract. But having been through what they went through and more, I know what it was like for those guys. I am not in ANY way comparing XJ to Mesa. The situations were very similar, but the outcomes so far apart. But it wasn't better than COmair, so it was worthy of instant ridicule. Then came Chautauqua. Better than before, but not better than Comair. So, they're losers too right? Then comes Mesaba. Fought tooth and nail, went into colling off period, past a strike deadline, shut down the airline for 2 days and got a contract. Was is better than Comair? *ell no. BUT, was it better than before? In every aspect. Now it's up to Coex. Are we going to ridicule them when they come in below Comair? Probably and probably not.

I guess my point is that every airline is dealt a different hand of cards while the world sits back and watches them all play. The fact that the world expects every airline to better the COmair contract in the current state of affairs is rediculous. Did Mesa do the right thing? I dunno... I don't work for Mesa. Did XJ? IMO, no. I think we could have done better in some key areas and that's exactly why I voted no. Did we improve things? Yes. I hardly think we're worthy of being compared to Mesa. And this sort of thread only proves how 2 faced and selfish our industry is.

During our contract drama we had the support of everyone. This board was full of "we support Xj threads." Now it's full of Mesaba vs. Mesa. vs. CHT vs the boys over at Coex. My, how things change. Same thing on the crew busses in CVG. Before our contract was settled the COmair folks were more than nice and supportive. Now they can't even muster a glance at the blue uniforms we wear at XJ. It's as if we at XJ taxiied over their cat or something.

Bottom line is that each airline is different with a different set of issues to contend with. For Mesaba it was the whipsaw against Pinnacle, Big Sky and all other airlines out there that could do our job cheaper. Then there was the threat of the avro being parked. Then there was a HUGE amount of flying done by XJ now all of a sudden being done by Pinnacle. Add to this pilot furloughs, mechanic furloughs and any other massive crap our mgmt could take on us over the last 3 years.

Good luck to you McPickle and your colleagues at Coex. I hope it goes easier for you in the end than it did for us at XJ. Trust me, the worst has yet to come. BTW, 98% of us voted to strike and were ready to do so on Jan 10th. My hope is for you all to do better than Comair, for your sake and for the sake of us all not having to listen to you bitc* about your woes being the fault of everyone else who preceeded you.


FO



Did I mention I voted NO?

 

[350DRIVER]

ChinaClipper, etc,


He ain't going anywhere folks, that is probably the problem (no sarcasm intended). HP?? Riiiiiight. He is obviously just a tad bitta, take a look at his flight times, experience, etc. I think it is very clear why the "attitude" is present in his anti- Mesa posts. If I were "stuck" like Mc I probably would not be the happiest camper in the world either.. Can you blame him? Hee haw?!!!


Take his comments for what they are worth, and that aint much at all.


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[flatire]

ALPA is to blame

As a former Mesa pilot, I can very easily answer your question of how the pilots voted overwhelmingly for such a bad contract. ALPA!! Almost every pilot was totally against that contract until ALPA did their little road show and told us ther was absolutely no choice for us but to sign it. Not only that but every contract has to be signed off by ALPA National so you can put the blame on them as well. All pilots at Mesa are regretful for signing that contract but once again you can put 100% of the blame on ALPA.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Ultimately....................who signed the contract again? Besides ALPA National, of course.

AF

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Wake Up,
"At 300 hours a military jet pilot has spent a fair amount of time in the goo, dropped bombs, engaged in dogfighting, flown formation (including aerobatics while in formation), and landed on an aircraft carrier (Navy). They do this without a "CA with them", and amazingly, without "killing themselves"."

Prior to those 300 hrs, military pilots must pass through some of the most difficult selection processess known to man. With the opportunity to wash out at every phase, the pressure is on!
All of the 300 hr PFT goobers that like to compare themselves to military pilots, get over it. We all have known military pilots and you are nothing like them. The only pressure 300 hr goobers feel is: will my parents cough up the next PFT ransom installment or is my credit card limit gonna strech far enough?
The difference? Merit and ability vs. credit rating.
nuff said
PBR

 

[bogberto]

Mesa people at the gate that treated me like a burden..

Mesa does not employ anyone in LAS, only pilots and f/as who are passing through in the middle of the night. Incidentally, HP cancelled about 40 flights Friday because they didn't have enough pilots in place. DAL cancelled quite a few on Saturday because of a software glitch. Better not fly on them, either.

Originally posted by Cappy The next time you run into a Mesa crew why don't you buy them a beer and tell them that as an ALPA pilot you will proudly support them during their next round of talks.

Excellent idea. Our MEC has been vacant on the 737 issue. If this becomes a reality, and I hope it never does, we had best earn Southwest rates or better. So, since our MEC is not talking to the pilot group at all, not even to inform us of industry average narrowbody rates or the ill effects of flying them for $60/hr, perhaps you can do us a favor and start asking our pilots about this subject. We're trying to put real leadership in place, but until that happens, your support rather than snobbery will be extremely beneficial.

 

[Jeff29]

Wake Up,

Maybe you should re-read my post. I ended by stating, "Most flight schools can't compete with military training, but it definitely could be done."

Prior to those 300 hrs, military pilots must pass through some of the most difficult selection processess known to man. With the opportunity to wash out at every phase, the pressure is on!
All of the 300 hr PFT goobers that like to compare themselves to military pilots, get over it.

Again, not saying that they are comparable, just saying it's possible

We all have known military pilots and you are nothing like them.

Actually, I am exactly like them.

nuff said

Couldn't agree more.

 

[khsgt]

Thought of the day

Guys, I must say I am afraid that this is going to be the "NEVERENDING" thread....keeps going and going and going, though it keeps it entertaining

Don't we have anything else better to piss and moan about?

Greasy Side Down!