To All Mesa Pilots

[MW44]

I heard that JO wanted to put the 737's on the Freedom certificate. I am just curious but didn't the low wage contract provide iron-clad scope so that JO couldn't pull stunts like that anymore. Not trying to flame just want to understand the situation better.

 

[bobbysamd]

Freedom list and Mesa 737s

I've seen the Freedom pilot list before. I read it with more than a degree of irony and chagrin. I know or have met at least two people on the list. One was a long-time Mesa Chief Pilot who ignored my letters for a second interview. I finally met him in person after I went to work for MAPD. I did not bring up my letters. The other was an ERAU training manager who did not see eye-to-eye with me regarding stage checks. This gentleman was a political animal.

I find it rich that Mesa would consider operating 737s. I know that has been a long-time rumor. I interviewed with Grady Reed in 1990. At that time, RJs were being developed and were featured in pilot magazines. When Mr. Reed asked if I had any questions, I asked Mr. Reed if Mesa had plans to acquire RJs. He said "no" and it was obvious that he did not appreciate my question. I believe that question led to my rejection and subsequent follow-up reconsideration requests to the aforementioned Chief Pilot. Of course, the epilogue to that story is that Mesa operates both kinds of RJs and that MAPD grads are being placed in their right seats!

Lesson learned: Don't take the bait if offered the opportunity to ask questions at an airline pilot interview. That's a subject for another thread.

 

[Beantown]

For any low time guys out there I know the thought of getting an airline job at 300hrs is your dream but think carefully. No offense, but a pilot with 300hrs total has not business being in the right seat of any sort of jet.
RJ FO from a respectable company

What do ACA, CHQ, Mesa, Pinnacle, Eagle, ASA and others have in common?...................................... In the last three years they all have hired pilots with under 600hrs from bridge programs like Flight Safty, Purdue, MAPD and ERAU. I interviewed at CHQ over a yr ago and there were guys from Purdue with 350 hrs in the class. Not looking to argue the merits, just want to make sure that everyone understands that this isn't just a Mesa thing. -Bean

 

[CitationLover]

its not just mesa

I'm pretty clueless as to the inner working of regionals, but it was a Mesa captain who didn't show up, and Mesa people at the gate that treated me like a burden. I'll pony up the extra 10% to my cost next time and fly with someone else. My time is worth something, to me at least.

how much flying have you done?!?! american pushes back delays within 15min of dept. happened to me last weekend when weather screwed things up at ohare. first the flight was delayed (i asked the desk if it was due to the plane not being able to come in and was right), next the plane shows up, but 10 min from dept they announced another 1hr delay, this time for the crew being delayed.

this happens all over the industry. wake up mesa bashers and smell what you're shoveling.

 

[bob evans]

Two things:

1) 1000 hrs doing touch and gos in cessna 172's really prepared me for 121 flying. Really, it did. Honest to god. Why would I lie?

2) If mesa starts flying 737's, it will be with pilots from the MAG seniority list under the ALPA contract, regardless of which certificate they are flown under. Scope, after all, is the only thing that is in our contract. Without scope, everything else is meaningless.

 

[cvoav8r]

huh..huh...hu...MESA SUCKS BEAVIS...huh...huh..huh..huh....yeah...yeah....kick their ass....huh..huh..huh..huh

 

[ChinaClipper]

No2bottomfeeders post...

Is why I spend less and less time here. Some sanctimonious wanker spouting off what a few other empty heads have repeated. Just because you can run the Barry Manilow fan club doesn't give you insight to say diddly to anyone about "the aviation profession". You sir have the IQ of a turnip, and if you had any cajones, you wouldn't be flying an RJ that REPLACED a Mainline jet outright. But in you own vacant thought process, you think that someone possibly undercutting YOU is bad; another "... hurray for me and to he11 with you..." self-centered nitwit. Well, I got news for ya, technically the regionals are now in the REPLACEMENT business. Nothing more. Nothing less. If you were consistent, you'd resign over the slovenly pay and bad contract you bemoan out of principal. You fly RJ's where Mainline planes once flew DIRECTLY putting a higher paid pilot out of a job. Calling you a wanker is a serious insult to the true wankers out there, dufus......

 

[climbhappy]

To: nobottomfeeder (aka fudgepacker)

you obviously don't read the press. the media has given air time in recent weks to the fact that:

customers , not mesa have caused the downward spiral in wages. ticket prices are coming down. For example, on NBC just last night Jetblue was featured for having a coast to coast $219.00 round trip.

the majors are accustomed to charging $1300 easily for such a trip.

therefore, besides being ignorant and of course a loser for wanting to stir up crap, you're an example of the mental capacity that is in fact worthy of $20.00 an hour.

ever tried mowing lawns?

 

[mckpickle]

The reason why we are upset is when the NMB comes to us durring contract segotiatins and suspends talks because he says we are asking too much. We are asking more than MESA or CHQ or MESAba.

The actions of others are directly effecting my quality of life. It is time that people be heald responsible for their actions. I carry the Freedom list and PM me if you want it. And stay the hell off my airplane asking for leftover meals!

 

[Cosmo1999]

dang man you sure seem to have a thing goin on with those crew meals. Last time I checked airplane food wasnt that great though it could be different where you work. Almost every post you make on this subject you complain about precious crew meals. Get over it, and if you need to you can get a nice little lockbox for your crew meals if they are that precious to you.

 

[mckpickle]

dang man you sure seem to have a thing goin on with those crew meals. Last time I checked airplane food wasnt that great though it could be different where you work. Almost every post you make on this subject you complain about precious crew meals. Get over it, and if you need to you can get a nice little lockbox for your crew meals if they are that precious to you.

They weren't crew meals. They were the passenger meals. And doesn't anyone else find it a bit ironic that Mesa pilots need to go ask for meals from other airplanes in order to eat. I mean for christ sake, they vote a contract in they are proud of but are pan handleing on the ramp.

If I was part of a group that voted that POS contract in I would try and have more self respect than to go looking for free food from other airplanes.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Man, can't a brutha get a bite to eat without being hollered at??

FWIW, I made a habit last summer of offering up cold Cokes and yummy pretzels to the Beech drivers standing around on a hot ramp in PIT waiting for the PSA gate jockeys to send out the pax... And didn't delineate between Mesa (AirMiddie) and Colgan Beeches, either.

PIT E-Gate Beech drivers, if you want a cool drink or wish to sink your teeth into the best pretzels money can buy (*JOKE!*), feel free to wander over to your nearest Saab. I'll hook you up.

This assumes we have ice... LOL

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>This is why I spend less and less time here. Some sanctimonious wanker spouting off what a few other empty heads have repeated.<<<

I hear ya, china. I don't quite have the energy for this nonsense anymore. I get quite enough nonsense in the REAL world.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

McD!ckhead always has his mouth open. Like he should talk he works for big MESA(AWA).

 

[captjim]

McD!ckhead always has his mouth open. Like he should talk he works for big MESA(AWA).

Pickle, when did you go to AWA? Did'nt you just hang out with my girlfriend the other night? And why was she walking so funny when she got home?

 

[mckpickle]

Pickle, when did you go to AWA? Did'nt you just hang out with my girlfriend the other night? And why was she walking so funny when she got home?

DUDE I must have missed the memo. HEE HAA off to AWA I go ( apparently)

Ya I hung out down there but I showed the goods and she couldn't stop laughing?

I should add it was public show and tell night at Hoot County, not a private showing
Oh and thanks for coming out.....prick!

 

[100LL... Again!]

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1000 hrs doing touch and gos in cessna 172's really prepared me for 121 flying. Really, it did. Honest to god. Why would I lie?
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Maybe if you paid attention instead of staring out the window, you would have picked up some info that would have been of use.

Then you wouldn't say ignorant things like this.

 

[bob evans]

mcpickle - sorry, you are quite misinformed. I know of none of my fellow pilots that are proud of the mesa contract. I challenge you to find one pilot at mesa that likes it.

100LL - whatever, dude.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Mcprickle, if you're headed for AWA..

you may wanna change you drivel about Mesa pilots, about 40% of the entire senority list is x-Mesa. Shooting your mouth off like you have will get you more than just a few nasty stares in the crew room, a quick anti-Freedumb statement may, however, give you the save. I am sorry on behalf of the entire universe and humanity at large, that pax meals are so important to you. Please post your schedule here every month so I, and others, can warn any unsuspecting subhumans who may unwittingly walk past your plane with a penchant for Third World style food. BTW Maybe you shouldn't go to AWA on the count that they have Mesa as their biggest regional partner/customer. If I read you past rants correctly, you should avoid ANY and ALL forms of contact with Mesa, lest you shining professionalism be tarnished or comprimised any way. Maybe I can put in a good word for you????

 

[ChinaClipper]

Bob Evans has changed his tune...

on the Yahoo Mesa board I can think of few other JO supporters than you. It was people like you that enabled JO to shove Freedumb down our throats and all that went with it. You, gbflyr and the other Johnny Knobbers, the "I'll take anything massa JO gives me" is the reason Mesa has the worse QOL in the industry. I though since I left Mesa that I could leave all that BS behind, but its just to fresh for me to EVER forgive those that gave Johnny Lorenzornstein the best day of his life. Freedumb and all the JO lovers are suffering under this POS contract, unfortunately so are the NO voters and all of us that risked so much to fight that shyster. I may be gone, but will always ask 2 questions ANY time I see a Mesa pilot. 1) Did you vote yes? (Don't lie, cause I played poker for YEARS) 2) Are you a Freedumbarse? Behnke'sGhost says "hi" to everyone else.......geez, can JO's Private Investigators be far behind? I shoulda never divulged my screen name......

 

[mckpickle]

Re: Mcprickle, if you're headed for AWA..

you may wanna change you drivel about Mesa pilots, about 40% of the entire senority list is x-Mesa. Shooting your mouth off like you have will get you more than just a few nasty stares in the crew room, a quick anti-Freedumb statement may, however, give you the save. I am sorry on behalf of the entire universe and humanity at large, that pax meals are so important to you. Please post your schedule here every month so I, and others, can warn any unsuspecting subhumans who may unwittingly walk past your plane with a penchant for Third World style food. BTW Maybe you shouldn't go to AWA on the count that they have Mesa as their biggest regional partner/customer. If I read you past rants correctly, you should avoid ANY and ALL forms of contact with Mesa, lest you shining professionalism be tarnished or comprimised any way. Maybe I can put in a good word for you????

Shut up you freakin idiot. I am not going to AWA. And I do not have a hard on over Meals. I'm making the point that it is pretty pathetic that thats what you guys have to do to EAT! Jesus, I have given sodas and muffins to many a airline crew before, however It pi$$es us off that MESA can lower the standard in the industry and then go begging for FOOD! GET A FUKCING LIFE

 

[ChinaClipper]

Wow, true words of a pro....

Mad about San Fran ruining your chance of marrying your boyfriend? Speaking of lowering the bar, you don't seem to have the same flair for intellegent use of the English language to describe your replacing Mainline flying with your RJ's. But that is a bit over you're head, given your apparent IQ, roughly that of a genital wart. A ho's a ho, mainline replacement Yeager... Geez, this is a idiotc forum.......BTW I have a life, flying the Airbus...something I imagine you'll never do down there in 13 year old land.......I here the bell again McDufus, time to get on the short bus for the ride home

 

[mckpickle]

Gotta pick on spelling when you can't make a point hu. Whatever dude I'm done with you. Jerkoff

 

[crj579]

What I am wondering is why these obvious mainline pilots are on a regional board bashing those less fortunate. Go get a dog to kick or something. The unfortunate thing is that all pilots are in this together and all this infighting does is create weakness for the profession. I think someone said that a union is only as strong as its weakest member. Aren't AWA and MESA both ALPA?

 

[a-v-8er]

Nice to see people actually contributing...

Zzzzzzzzzzzz...

 

[bob evans]

Gee, China, those are harsh words. BTW, I would have grossed about $20K more last year if I were the J-O suckup you claim I am.

Congrats on moving on.

 

[Jeff29]

Good thing those 300hr wannabes have a CA with them - they'd kill themselves in about three seconds flying boxes in the UP.

At 300 hours a military jet pilot has spent a fair amount of time in the goo, dropped bombs, engaged in dogfighting, flown formation (including aerobatics while in formation), and landed on an aircraft carrier (Navy). They do this without a "CA with them", and amazingly, without "killing themselves".

To suggest that at 300 hours, a person cannot be well trained is simply wrong. Granted, most flight schools can't compete with military training, but it definitely could be done.


Question for Bobbysamd:

On a different thread, you were pretty serious about the evils of PFTing. Isn't Mesa's program essentially PFTing? If not, what's the difference? (I'm not trying to start anything, I genuinely want to know.)

 

[bobbysamd]

MAPD v. P-F-T

On a different thread, you were pretty serious about the evils of PFTing. Isn't Mesa's program essentially PFTing? If not, what's the difference? (I'm not trying to start anything, I genuinely want to know.)

Nor am I necessarily wanting to continue anything. But the question has been raised.

P-F-T is an employment issue. The primary test is whether the employer requires the employee to pay it for employee's training as a condition of hire. That's all. A secondary test is whether the training is esoteric to the company and does not lead to a certificate, rating or other credential that is universally accepted and can be marketed outside the company.

Another determinant would be quals. If the entity in question requires that you already have a Commercial-Multi-Instrument, then it is surely P-F-T. Some P-F-T outfits have schools that will train you for your ratings. The school aspect is still separate and apart from the P-F-T side of the house.

By contrast, MAPD and, for that matter, Comair, nka Delta Connection Academy, are flight schools. True, graduating from either might lead to interviews with Mesa or Comair, but their primary purpose is to train you to fly. The Commercial-Instrument-Single Multi and degree you earn at Mesa, and the Commercial-Instrument-Single-Multi-CFI that you earn at Comair, can be marketed anywhere. Should you not get "the interview" at Mesa or Comair, you still have these credentials.

Neither MAPD or Comair is hiring you at the time you sign up for training. You are only signing up for flight school. That point, in and of itself, should negate any P-F-T question for either school.

Once more, P-F-T is an employment issue, only.

Hope that helps.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

F#@King Mesa!

 

[Flyingdutchman]

"F#@King Mesa!"
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Why?

-- some folks need a big hug, and some love --

Why can't you all threat each other the way you like to be treated??

Start acting like a professional pilot for once..

Friendly regards,
FD