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The VAST majority of people who posted that they don't tip are regional pilots. I'm sure they are those that do and that there are mainline pilots who don't. Ask the next van driver at a hotel that both regional and mainline use who generally tips the best.

I'm not sure how you can tell exactly where one works by their posting on this thread, but I don't doubt that if you spend enough time researching everyone who posts here you could likely figure it out. My time is a little too important for that.

Regardless, this topic was posted in the Regionals Forum, so I would logically expect the majority of posters to the topic to work for the regionals.

It was quite an entertaining story you related, however in the end your friend the van driver likely ended up costing her hotel some cash. Comair crews take cabs (agreed in contract with hotels to be paid for by the hotel) if hotel transportation has not arrived prior to 35 minutes after block-in.

When I used to fly freight, we never tipped the van drivers...but I'd always sit up front with them. I knew them all by name, and we'd visit with them as equals to and from the hotel. They would often give us priority over crews from a major airline I won't name (who tipped), I think because they appreciated the way we treated them.

Even in my first year I tipped the van driver...unless they provided sub par service. If I wait more than 5-10 minutes for a van and there's not a very good reason for it, there will not be a tip.

A tip is not given to reward poor service....anywhere.

I was travelling once in India. One night at a hotel one of our travel companion's rooms did not have any towels in the room. A call to the front desk was made for towels.

We had been specifically instructed not to tip the staff, as the tips were to be included on the final bill paid for by our host.

An employee of the hotel arrived at the room with towels that housekeeping neglected to leave in the room. After placing the towels in the appropriate location, he stood there waiting expectantly with his hand out. Our travel companions remembered their instructions, and did not tip.

The hotel employee picked up all the towels he'd brought and walked out of the room.

Our host was furious when he heard the story, and we were treated very well by the staff for the remainder of our stay after our host ripped the hotel manager a new one.
 
I will not tip just to tip. If the van is waiting, warm (or cool depending on the season) the van driver loads my bags and is curtious then I will.

I will not tip if all the above is not met.

Ask yourself this, do you get a tip from making a super nice landing?
 
I will not tip just to tip. If the van is waiting, warm (or cool depending on the season) the van driver loads my bags and is curtious then I will.

I will not tip if all the above is not met.

Ask yourself this, do you get a tip from making a super nice landing?

I don't get tipped for arriving on time either.
 
I use. to get tips all the time when I flew charter. I flew a guy from Owensboro, Kentucky to Atlanta all the time and he would slap $150 in my hand on his way out and say nice job. It made my day. I think most charter guys get tipped all the time, I am sure I was not the only one.
 
When I flew corporate I did all the time. Great point about arriving on time. We are expected to do so as do we expect the van drivers to do so. So why then should I tip for a service that is in your job description in the first place?
 
If someone was smart, they woudl staff the hotel shuttle vans with perky young coeds and hooters girls and there would never be an issue with tipping ever again
 
I used to tip the van drivers but I have stopped doing so after I thought about it a little. I got tired of making sure I had a stack of ones everytime I went to work. Why should I tip, they are just driving me to work, its not like I'm on vacation, the hotel by contract is required to provide transportation. Besides, I never see regular hotel guests tipping, why as Airline employees are we required to pay for our ride? let the company provide the tip, I say.
 
I don't get tipped for arriving on time either.[/qoute]

Do you tip your doctor or dentist? when you get an FAA medical do you tip?

Could it be the ones who became pilots did so to see what they could get out of the profession.... giving a tip isn't getting...

If I stated that the ones who tip are more custodians of the profession how strong would the reply be...

offended?


A 20K FO is understood.....
 
I don't get tipped for arriving on time either.[/qoute]

Do you tip your doctor or dentist? when you get an FAA medical do you tip?

Could it be the ones who became pilots did so to see what they could get out of the profession.... giving a tip isn't getting...

If I stated that the ones who tip are more custodians of the profession how strong would the reply be...

offended?


A 20K FO is understood.....

Four beers in me and you STILL don't make sense
 
I don't get tipped for arriving on time either.

Do you tip your Doctor or dentist?


I used to tip the van drivers but I have stopped doing so after I thought about it a little. I got tired of making sure I had a stack of ones everytime I went to work. Why should I tip, they are just driving me to work, its not like I'm on vacation, the hotel by contract is required to provide transportation. Besides, I never see regular hotel guests tipping, why as Airline employees are we required to pay for our ride? let the company provide the tip, I say.

My four year old is less self centered than you.....

You're too lazy to carry money and its the companies fault?

And so you'd rather stiff the driver, screw your fellow pilot and make it more difficult for him and you to get a ride to a decent restuarant....

More pro's.....
 
OK Rez...I see what you're saying now. But why do you have to criticize a fellow pilot and call them self centered and lazy just because they don't want to tip? Whether or not tipping will seriously affect the hotel transportation service is debateable and most likely negligable at best. Way to toss a fellow pilot under the bus for something as insignificant as tipping. It's good to know you're ALPA reps will stand behind you, if you conform to their expectations.
 
One morning, after dropping him off at the airport and not getting tipped again, they pulled his tab from the hotel bar the night before. It was time stamped and made for great reading when it came accross the Chief pilot's fax.

This is exactly why I (and I tell my FO's the same) never tip. Because of immature $hit like this.
 
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OK Rez...I see what you're saying now. But why do you have to criticize a fellow pilot and call them self centered and lazy just because they don't want to tip? Whether or not tipping will seriously affect the hotel transportation service is debateable and most likely negligable at best. Way to toss a fellow pilot under the bus for something as insignificant as tipping. It's good to know you're ALPA reps will stand behind you, if you conform to their expectations.

Becuase of the guys attitude.. it is all about him... And he is so blantent about it as well....

This profession doesn't work when everyone is trying to get what they can for themselves... being an Air Line Pilot is NOT like trying to get the last seat out during the fall of Siagon.....

This profession works best when all of us come to work trying to help each other out....

Guys that show to just fly thier trip and go home, don't look out for thier crew, and basically suck the life out of everyone else are the ones that complain the loudest about how miserable this job is.....

It gets old when you pull hard on the line only to look up and see your fellow pilot sitting on the load complaining............
 
WOW. After reading this thead, I can say Im embarrassed to work with some of you guys. To say they have to "work harder for it", or the racist dude talking about "blasting mexicano music", etc. I guess this is a common courtesy thing you learn as a child or growing up, and it shows there are some punks in this industry that dont deserve to be here. Come on, how do you know this poor guy didnt have his boss breathing down his neck scrubbing tiles before picking you up, and then was yelled at the last minute to pick you guys up? To penalize the driver for not being there as soon as you walk out the terminal is ludacris. But I guess your pry the same person who never had to load your own freight in the back of some ********************ty airplane at all hours of the night and really pay your dues..........give the guy a buck you cheap bastard.
 
Keep tipping the van drivers every time they show up thirty minutes late then. That'll reinforce that type of behavior.
 
Keep tipping the van drivers every time they show up thirty minutes late then. That'll reinforce that type of behavior.

Most contracts allow pilots to hire a cab and expense the company if they have to wait. Be a man and excercise your CBA rights or ensure your NC is working the issue.... either way look in the mirror... all the answers are there...
 
Treat others the way you’d want to be treated!


Exactly. I dont expect my employer's customers to be giving me extra money for doing my job.


For me the "tip the van driver" is of academic interest only, as the places I go don't have hotel vans. However, in general, the expectation of tips has gotten way, way out of control. It seeems that every where you go, everyone has thier hand out, panhandling you for doing thier job. The snack counter in the atrium of Home Depot has a "tip jar", just to make sure you know that the cashier would like you to pay her for handing you a Snapple and your change. Fortunately this hasn't spread to the cashiers inside the store. If someone *wants* to tip a cashier, that's fine, knock yourself out, but putting up a sign directing you to give them money is panhandling, plain and simple. The hygiene issue is (presumably) under a little better control than the bum with the "will work for food" sign, but that's about the only real difference; other than that, it's begging.

Once, in Honolulu I (politely) asked a guy on the street which way to a particular bar. He pointed us in the right direction, and when I (again, politely) thanked him, he said in a snotty voice, that giving us the information ought to be worth a tip. Say WHAT??????? Sorry, this is just an example of how out of control this is. I'm always willing to help someone out, whether it's giving them directions (on more than one occasion, I've approched people who are obviously lost and offered help), or stopping for someone who's having car troubles (Yes, in some parts of the country people still stop and help each other out, I've done it, and had folks stop for me when I've had my hood up beside the road) I'm glad to do it. If I ever start expecting to be paid for it, I've become a lesser person.

For the guy who was so proud of the van driver blowing off the comair guys while she drove him around to restraunts: Let's look at what *really* happened there. The hotel has a contract to provide airport transportation to your airline's crews and Comair's crews. Transportation to restraunts is not something they are are required to do. Nothing wrong with it, it's a nice service but's it's over and above, an extra. Now, according to your description, the van drivers are refusing to perform the required services in a timely manner, in favor of providing a non-essential favor to a crew they have come to expect money from. Essentially, the van drivers are now running thier own transportation business, for thier own income, using the hotel's equipment, to the detriment of the hotel's business. As was pointed out by another, having the van driver neglect a crew costs the hotel money, either directly, by having to foot the bill for cabs for the ignored crews, or indirecly, by customer dissatisfaction, and perhaps ultimately, loss of a contract. I don't know about you, but if I had an employee who was costing me money by lining her own pockets, I'd have a little chat with her.
 
A slight change of subject...

Though I don't fly for the airlines, I probably spend as many nights in a hotel per year as you guys (70 - 80% of my time is on the road)

What is your feeling about tipping Hotel House-keeping.

I don't (mainly because my company will not compensate us for it) but I have heard that I should.

If it makes a difference, most of my hotel stays are check-in Sunday evening and check out Friday morning.
 
Would it be looked down upon if I stop tipping van drivers all together? I dont want to look like a cheap bastard, but if its okay not to tip, I'll save the money.
 

Well, for one...too many extenuating circumstances come into play. Pizza delivery is a luxury, transportation to the hotel is required. I'll leave it at that
 
Becuase of the guys attitude.. it is all about him... And he is so blantent about it as well....

This profession doesn't work when everyone is trying to get what they can for themselves... being an Air Line Pilot is NOT like trying to get the last seat out during the fall of Siagon.....

This profession works best when all of us come to work trying to help each other out....

Guys that show to just fly thier trip and go home, don't look out for thier crew, and basically suck the life out of everyone else are the ones that complain the loudest about how miserable this job is.....

It gets old when you pull hard on the line only to look up and see your fellow pilot sitting on the load complaining............

Welcome to life. It's not anyone's job to be the judge of their co-workers. Don't be surprised if the guy in the seat next to you forgot to read the instruction manual on how to meet every one of your expectations. Some people have genuine reasons for not tipping, and some people are just "thrifty" I agree with A Squared, too many people expect handouts today for doing their job. Hmmmmm....it says "VAN DRIVER" in the description...do you think you might be EXPECTED to drive vans? I have my own special way of tipping. I carry a sheet of those sticky Gold Stars with me...
 
Gentlemen and Ladies
Consider this especially if you work for a smaller airline flying to smaller cities on a regular basis. The people driving these vans get to know you Very Well. Tipping can sometimes make the difference in hanging outside the airport for a short amount of time or for what may seem like hours.

I have tipped when I was s 15k a year f/o at a commuter, I have tipped as a CA at a cargo airline, all for the same result, better service next time I get to town. And I am a "Thrifty" guy, but I am not a cheapskate. If one of my crew does not have the cash I come up with it, again so we get prompt service next time we arrive.

Tipping is indeed a personal choice, Crappy service don't tip. Good service, Tip and it may come back around to serve you well someday!
 
Don't be surprised if the guy in the seat next to you forgot to read the instruction manual on how to meet every one of your expectations.

That's why I made a handy brochure, and give it to everybody I fly with on the first leg. That way there are no misunderstandings. :rolleyes:
 
REZ O,, go pound sand dude. Thats right my entire attitude and personal caliber is based on my willingness or unwillingness to tip the van driver,,,,,,, Tool.
 

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