Three Insugents Killed (300 More Created)

[MercuryPilot]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4577578.stm

This is a prime example of why the situation in Iraq is where it's at. This is not a slight to the men and women on the ground and in the air who do their jobs heroically. But is it too difficult for the policy makers to see how operations such as this are going to cause more problems than they solve in the long run?

It's hard for me to understand how anybody can see Operation Iraqi Freedom as a success anymore, considering the price. I'd be interested to see what the folks here have to say about this. Anybody realizing the emporer has no clothes?

Your big mistake was believing something you read on the blame-America first BBC website.

 

[Paris]

Magnum,
I'm sorry you hate my post so much. The original poster asked for thoughts in an attempt to create discussion, and that's what I gave him. You have interesting inputs, albeit sometimes ad hominem, but here are my replies to them.

As for no children dying in Iraq, I think their parents would disagree. Yes, its still an all-volunteer force, but the death of a parent's child is still a huge loss for that parent. And for what, I don't know. That ties into the second question I asked. I honestly don't know the current official postion. It has changed a few times.

The quote "you're either with us or against us" was from GW. Thats the way it seems to be if anyone proposes this course we've set isn't sound. I still think Iraq is a quagmire. Do you really believe it isn't? We've been in that country since 1991, and I personally don't see us EVER leaving.

As for if we're safer, that ties into the first question. Isn't that the reason we went in the first place? If we can't measure it, how would we ever know if we accomplished our objective?

This probably should have been posted in the non-aviation forum, so I too will end here with replies. Take care

 

[pkober]

Karma,

If you think we can't win why don't you claim cosciencious objector (sp.) status. Or do you want to continue to build high quality turbine time, no matter what you believe?

If you really believe this war is wrong tell your commander you can't continue to fight with a clear mind and need to be removed from the cockpit.

Do what you think is right and don't drag down the rest us down.

CLAMBAKE

 

[onthebeach]

To "KarmaPolice"...whoever you are:

Let me explain the situation to you, as it was explained to me when I was a young officer:

First: If your conscience will not allow you to wholeheartedly support the policies and actions of the duly elected and constituted United States government, you should immediately resign your commission.

Second: If you believe that any order you are given is illegal, you have the duty to clearly and immediately express that belief, and the reason(s) for the same, to your Commanding Officer; and, to refuse to obey such order until such time that, by evidence of fact, you are convinced it is in fact a legal order.

If you are in either of the situations described above and don't take the appropriate course of action I've outlined, then you are in violation of your oath of office and the UCMJ.

On the other hand, if you are not in either of the situations I've described, then shut up and do your duty.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Karma,

If you think we can't win why don't you claim cosciencious objector (sp.) status. Or do you want to continue to build high quality turbine time, no matter what you believe?

If you really believe this war is wrong tell your commander you can't continue to fight with a clear mind and need to be removed from the cockpit.

Do what you think is right and don't drag down the rest us down.

CLAMBAKE

Quite possibly the worst response I've read. Not even worth a reply.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Let me explain the situation to you, as it was explained to me when I was a young officer:

First: If your conscience will not allow you to wholeheartedly support the policies and actions of the duly elected and constituted United States government, you should immediately resign your commission.

Second: If you believe that any order you are given is illegal, you have the duty to clearly and immediately express that belief, and the reason(s) for the same, to your Commanding Officer; and, to refuse to obey such order until such time that, by evidence of fact, you are convinced it is in fact a legal order.

If you are in either of the situations described above and don't take the appropriate course of action I've outlined, then you are in violation of your oath of office and the UCMJ.

On the other hand, if you are not in either of the situations I've described, then shut up and do your duty.

Are you mentally challenged, or do you just like to put words in people's mouth and slam them so you sound important?

 

[pkober]

Two people asked you a question. Why don't you answer it?

 

[Benhuntn]

No self-respecting miltary person would come on this board, claim to be a part of a military unit and call themselves "KarmaPolice". Unless you are in some unit on the left coast. I think you are justing baiting. My friend I meet and greet with military personnel at BWI USO every week and they are not creating insurgents they are killing them. Better over there than here! I support them and the President 100% and I have no time to worry about candy a$$ tree hugging Al Queda rights activists here in this country. They started this fight and our Military is going to finish it!

 

[pkober]

Well said, too bad I fell for this fake.

CLAMBAKE