This Months "ProPilot"

[Snakum]

Larry Flynt on the cover? Kewl.

Does anyone know what, or how many, aircraft his publication house operates nowadays? If I remember correctly they are a pretty big operation and are into all kinds of magazines today.

Just curious .... as usual ...

Minh

 

[Buckeye]

Dick Collins sucks, he about ran me out of the sky six or seven years ago down at Sporty's. What an A$$hole, in person too!

 

[metrodriver]

There are some weird ones out there. I applied for an upscale clothingstore chain based in Seattle once years ago, pay was low and if you were not flying you had to help with building maintenance. Turned out the pilots were cutting the grass, cleaning restrooms... I also read an article about the flight ops from I believe Arnold Palmer. One of those old famous golfers who designs a lot of courses. Pilots had maybe 20 days off a year, had to cook for him, even at the layovers. They flew a G4, and were thinking about something bigger. These guys flew a lot!

 

[501261]

I also read an article about the flight ops from I believe Arnold Palmer. One of those old famous golfers who designs a lot of courses. Pilots had maybe 20 days off a year, had to cook for him, even at the layovers. They flew a G4, and were thinking about something bigger

It wasn't AP, AP flies a C750, N1AP. His CP is a great guy named Pete. AP's job is about as good as it can be flying for a owner-pilot. The only real negative about the job is that it is split home bases between Latroble, PA in the summer and Orlando, FL in the winter.

And no I'm not Pete, nor do I work for AP.

 

[Snakum]

Isn't Arnie (I always call him 'Arnie' ... we're pretty tight.) typed in the Citation X? I thought I saw something on TV once about him getting one of the first 750s Cessna sold, and about him flying it with a co-Captain. But then again ... I used to drink alot before I found Jesus (pronounced 'hey-soos').

Minh "Hacker" Thong

 

[501261]

Isn't Arnie (I always call him 'Arnie' ... we're pretty tight.) typed in the Citation X? I thought I saw something on TV once about him getting one of the first 750s Cessna sold, and about him flying it with a co-Captain. But then again ... I used to drink alot before I found Jesus (pronounced 'hey-soos').

Minh "Hacker" Thong

Yes, Mr. Palmer (I don't know him that well ), is typed in the C750, he's actually quite an accomplished pilot, for being an owner-operator.

For the record Mr. Palmer only has a Private, Multi, Instrument, but he is typed on the LRJET, IA JET, C500, C650, and C750. He has over 20,000 flight hours, goes to FS every year, and once held a world record speed for flying around the world in a business jet (in 1975 he flew a Lear 35 around the world in something like 36 hours).

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I believe the Gulfstream job for a golfer that many are refering to is for Jack Nichalas (sp?)

Word is that its about as crappy a job as they come, loaded with the typical stuff...low wages, obscene hours, understaffed, multiple "job titles" (maybe you can wash his car?, cook his dinner?)....

but again I stress this is all second hand knowledge, I could be 100% wrong. but doubt it....

 

[CXAV8]

AP

I've heard AP is a great guy-I don't question this. But???
20,000 hrs.- yeah right. And I'm a 2 handicap!!!

 

[banned username 2]

Re: AP

I've heard AP is a great guy-I don't question this. But???
20,000 hrs.- yeah right. And I'm a 2 handicap!!!

I agree... I fly full time, and at the rate I am going, I will break 20,000 hours just before I turn 60 (in 25 years from now)

I doubt AP has anywhere near 20,000 hours... Maybe they meant 2,000 hours.

 

[501261]

Re: Re: AP

I agree... I fly full time, and at the rate I am going, I will break 20,000 hours just before I turn 60 (in 25 years from now)

I doubt AP has anywhere near 20,000 hours... Maybe they meant 2,000 hours.

No, he really does have 20,000 hours. Certainly I can't verify this, but it is what he says and I tend to believe him. Remember AP is 74 years old and has been flying since 1961! He says he averages about 700 hours a year! I would tend to believe it since his first C750 sold last year with 3000 hours on it. Cessna (especially Textron Pres Russ Meyer ) and AP have a long history together. AP was the launch customer of the Citation III, VII and X. He got C750 serial number 3 in new 1996 and sold it in 2001. It had 3000+ hours on it when he sold it. So 20,000 is probably close to the truth.

 

[puddlejumper]

Arnold Palmer Article

There was a little article on Arnold Palmer in a very recent issue of one of those airplane sales magazines. I think it was World Aviaition Sales or something like that. The article mentioned the around the world record and that AP has over 20,000 hrs in his logbook. I just thought I'd share. BTW, I haven't had a chance to read this month's pro-pilot. I just got it yesterday. Maybe I'll bring it with to SAV tomorrow and get caught up!

-PJ

 

[banned username 2]

Re: Re: Re: AP

No, he really does have 20,000 hours. Certainly I can't verify this, but it is what he says and I tend to believe him. Remember AP is 74 years old and has been flying since 1961!

...So 20,000 is probably close to the truth.

I didn't realize AP was that old... I don't follow golf, but for some reason thought he was in his mid 50's... I guess 20,000 is in the realm of possiblity given his age and how long he's been flying!

I retract my former statement.

 

[rice]

I thought following, playing, living, breathing GOLF, was a pre-requisite in your neck of the woods.

 

[metrodriver]

Yeah, it might have been Jack Nicklaus. The feature was done several years ago.
I don't keep up with guys trying to beat a little white ball into submission with a long stick( doesn't matter if it's golf or baseball), very sleep inducing.

 

[2000flyer]

I believe the Gulfstream job for a golfer that many are refering to is for Jack Nichalas (sp?)

Word is that its about as crappy a job as they come, loaded with the typical stuff...low wages, obscene hours, understaffed, multiple "job titles" (maybe you can wash his car?, cook his dinner?)....

but again I stress this is all second hand knowledge, I could be 100% wrong. but doubt it....

I've met JN's chief pilot on several occassions and the guy really does seem to enjoy his job. Yes, a lot of weekends, RONs etc, but to each our own, right?


Back to the original intent of this thread, the Lear job in ProPilot, did I just completely misread this and understand that his pilots (other than the CP) are contract pilots?????

I quote from the article:
"UPI pilots are paid slightly above industry average and work as independent contractors undencumbered by health coverage, 401(k) plans, profit sharing or disability..."

What in the he** is this guy talking about? Unencumbered by benefits? I about fell off my chair when I read this. We are in the 21st century, right?

Where in the heck do I send my resume? What a joke!

I normally try to remain positive in my posts but this joker really made me laugh!

2000Flyer
(currently, thankfully, encumbered by benefits!)