Thinking of Netjets and ..........

[FLYLOW22]

I believe the door for current, non-fractional pilots has closed for a while at NJA.

If the Oct vote passes, this place will be flooded with applications from pilots from the other fractionals. Many of which are currently typed in the a/c NJA operates.

Not to hire them over other types of pilots doesn't make sense from NJA's point of view. These people are "plug and play", they know what the business entails and don't have to be programed to think like a fractional pilot-----I mean this with respect to owner services.

Training would be easier, they are already familiar with the fractional way of life and hiring away from our competition would have some obvious market share advantages.

This is occuring as NJA has a record number of a/c being delivered and there is a definate need to get as many pilots trained and out on the road as safely and quickly as possible

I don't think that D has ever said that the company looks for other fractional pilots 1st and foremost.

Types, TT, walking on the moon... doesn't really matter so much.

Positive attitude is more important that previous fractional experience.

 

[willNOTfly4free]

Do you want your plans for the day to be changed 4 times before you leave the hotel or possibly in route?

Any corporate/charter/fractional pilot is used to last-minute scheduling changes. What makes it so different at NJA? It's part of the job, son.

Do you want to eat crew food the rest of your life?

I'd rather eat crew meals at NJA and pocket my per diem, than eat airline terminal food. BTW, how can you even compare NJA crew meals to airline terminal food?

If I had that kind of seniority, I wouldn't leave. If you can't survive on $80k a year, your problems aren't where you work.

The earnings potential is much higher at NJA than XJT, son.

 

[skiandsurf]

on a serious note...

With only about 10 upgrades per month (120 per year), do any of you real experts foresee faster upgrades?

Do you guys think that NJs will still be able to hire (and retain) the quality of pilots, without offering moremoney for the FOs?

For you guys thinking about coming over to NJs, Yes this is a great job. Its a great company. But be prepared for a long time to upgrade. We have about 2700 pilots (junior captains are 1850). The company "wants" 5000 pilots (3000 PICs 2000SICs).We have been in the 2700s for about 6 months (read= little growth). With FO pay topping out at $55,000 (ish), be prepared to hear the captains what a "great job this is" and "how much money they make", while you fill out paperwork so your kids can get government assistance for school lunch.

Again, this is a great job, but when they tell you "you will upgrade in 2-3 yrs", look at my numbers above, and do your own math.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I don't think the quality of the F/O we are getting now is a function of pay....I believe its more of a function of those willing to work at one of the 5 Domiciles.

I think the F/O's we hired prior to the CBA being ratified were more pax-oriented, but back then they were paid 10K/yr less and they had 26 Gateways to choose from.

I see a noticable difference between "pre" and "post" CBA ratified F/O's.

 

[ATRCA]

The question wasn't about fractional in general, it was about Netjets in particular. And judging by your message, you know very little about how that particular fractional operates.

Ask anybody who knows me if I strike him as a "kool-aid drinker." (Right, Diesel? ) I'm quite aware of the downsides and tough spots in this job. But I'd take it over a career at CoEx any day of the week.

Wait a minute! Who said anything about a career at XJT. Just thinking about a few different options. I will not be spending a career here.

 

[CA1900]

Wait a minute! Who said anything about a career at XJT.

Doylehargraves did -- he said, "If I were you, I would stay at XJT. ... If I had that kind of seniority, I wouldn't leave. If you can't survive on $80k a year, your problems aren't where you work."

That's what I was responding to, not your original message.

 

[Hawker dude]

With only about 10 upgrades per month (120 per year), do any of you real experts foresee faster upgrades?

Do you guys think that NJs will still be able to hire (and retain) the quality of pilots, without offering moremoney for the FOs?

For you guys thinking about coming over to NJs, Yes this is a great job. Its a great company. But be prepared for a long time to upgrade. We have about 2700 pilots (junior captains are 1850). The company "wants" 5000 pilots (3000 PICs 2000SICs).We have been in the 2700s for about 6 months (read= little growth). With FO pay topping out at $55,000 (ish), be prepared to hear the captains what a "great job this is" and "how much money they make", while you fill out paperwork so your kids can get government assistance for school lunch.

Again, this is a great job, but when they tell you "you will upgrade in 2-3 yrs", look at my numbers above, and do your own math.

dude, what bugs me is half the stuff you say is crap. an FO doesn't top out, there is COLA after that. look at your contract. you also don't read the IBT board or listen to your union leadership or have watched the hangar video, The company wants between 5000 to 10000 pilots now. pay attention, its free.

 

[LAZYB]

With a statement like this, I question how much *YOU* know about NetJets.

these are Flex pilots in denial...

 

[Buddro]

My app was accepted on April 25. Just interviewed last week for PBI. Was hired and am waiting my class date and aircraft assigment as we speak. So about 3.5 months for me for PBI.

RP170,

What did you decide to do? Allegiant or Netjets?

 

[Fozzy]

CA1900,

You think I have misconceptions about the job huh? How long have you been flying fractional? Less than a year?? I've got more time in the lav in this industry than you have in the right seat. Don't preach about how good you have it until you've drank the kool-aid a little longer son.

So what you are saying is that you would not leave a regional for FlexJet.

 

[LAZYB]

CA1900,

I've got more time in the lav in this industry than you have in the right seat.

ain't no one questioning your time in the lav...

Just wondering if that was your pinnacle or Peter Pyramid moment...

 

[skiandsurf]

dude, what bugs me is half the stuff you say is crap. an FO doesn't top out, there is COLA after that. look at your contract. you also don't read the IBT board or listen to your union leadership or have watched the hangar video, The company wants between 5000 to 10000 pilots now. pay attention, its free.

Dude, what bugs me is YOU. I watched the video. Actually felt pretty good about this company (Santulli) and the union (Olsen). Very nicely done, on both parts, although Santulli talks too much without answering the question. I also read the unions news letter (Compass?). In the article written by Olsen, it clearly says "5000 pilots. 3000PICs and 2000 SICs".

The other thing that bugs me is when I got hired, the company was running classes of 30 every two weeks, and things were great. I have no idea how many they are hiring now. They dont publish any numbers. The company doesnt tell us anything, other than putting out memos everyday, then having to make a correction to the memos....today we are to take out the Dentil kits....I thought it should have been spelled Dental.

Like I said, this is a great job and a great company. Just be prepared for a much longer upgrade time than told during the interview.

 

[skiandsurf]

I think the F/O's we hired prior to the CBA being ratified were more pax-oriented, but back then they were paid 10K/yr less and they had 26 Gateways to choose from.

You probably got turned down by Mesa, and therefore hate pilots with airline backgrounds.

I was flying with a guy and we had a loud noise coming from the cabin door. There was no caution lights on the panel. He wants to divert to BFE without contact the company. I asked him if we should call the company on the phone and make a plane to get these pax picked up. He said we will call on the ground. WTFO!!! As luck would have it, the noise went away and we continued. We talked about it and I explained in "my past life, we would never divert without talking to dispatch first". He said "what if you're on fire?". Well now were talking emergency vs annoyance, dipsh*t.

Flew with another captain that took a high speed at about 100kts. I thought the gear was going to collapse or at least drag a wingtip. What was he thinking? On the way out, the pax tipped me $100 and said "dont split it".

I know you have stories as well, but enough is enough. Airline, military, cargo, charter....we are all here to do our job. If my captain tells me that airline guys suck, then he gets to redo my half ass cleaning job.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

........i need some serious minds to assist.

I don't usually act serious around here, but I like the way you lay out your situation. First let me say best of luck no matter the path you take.

I'm almost 40, with 3 kids (and the wiff wants one from China now) so I look at stability over anything else. NetJets is a company which dominates their industry, we aren't going anywhere. My job is very stable, which says a lot for a flying job.

The grass is always greener on the other side, but once you go there, you see its because they planted the lawn over a septic tank! Point is, flying is flying... but at 63-67 when you look back and look forward, you better see two things:

• A career (with a company) you'd do all over again
• A bank account with 7 digits and growing....

I should see both with NetJets in 25 years. Again, best of luck.

Bill
(Wolfpackpilot)

 

[Dr Pepper]

There were 16 new hires in the July class and 12 in this months class (or that is how the new seniority list shows it). There are some people missing that started sims before co. indoc. FSI appears to be maxed out. They are hurting on instructors.

Owners wait list is fleet dependent per NJ sales. Some have no wait.

The quality of pilot is the same at NetJets that is going to the majors. Some have been around the globe, some have only flown RJs in the midwest. There are a ton of people trying to make commutting work. The pay is bad for trying to survive in LA or NY.

To the original question, apply now, get a job offer, and then decide.