Thinking of Netjets and ..........

[LAZYB]

CA1900,

I've got more time in the lav in this industry than you have in the right seat.

ain't no one questioning your time in the lav...

Just wondering if that was your pinnacle or Peter Pyramid moment...

 

[skiandsurf]

dude, what bugs me is half the stuff you say is crap. an FO doesn't top out, there is COLA after that. look at your contract. you also don't read the IBT board or listen to your union leadership or have watched the hangar video, The company wants between 5000 to 10000 pilots now. pay attention, its free.

Dude, what bugs me is YOU. I watched the video. Actually felt pretty good about this company (Santulli) and the union (Olsen). Very nicely done, on both parts, although Santulli talks too much without answering the question. I also read the unions news letter (Compass?). In the article written by Olsen, it clearly says "5000 pilots. 3000PICs and 2000 SICs".

The other thing that bugs me is when I got hired, the company was running classes of 30 every two weeks, and things were great. I have no idea how many they are hiring now. They dont publish any numbers. The company doesnt tell us anything, other than putting out memos everyday, then having to make a correction to the memos....today we are to take out the Dentil kits....I thought it should have been spelled Dental.

Like I said, this is a great job and a great company. Just be prepared for a much longer upgrade time than told during the interview.

 

[skiandsurf]

I think the F/O's we hired prior to the CBA being ratified were more pax-oriented, but back then they were paid 10K/yr less and they had 26 Gateways to choose from.

You probably got turned down by Mesa, and therefore hate pilots with airline backgrounds.

I was flying with a guy and we had a loud noise coming from the cabin door. There was no caution lights on the panel. He wants to divert to BFE without contact the company. I asked him if we should call the company on the phone and make a plane to get these pax picked up. He said we will call on the ground. WTFO!!! As luck would have it, the noise went away and we continued. We talked about it and I explained in "my past life, we would never divert without talking to dispatch first". He said "what if you're on fire?". Well now were talking emergency vs annoyance, dipsh*t.

Flew with another captain that took a high speed at about 100kts. I thought the gear was going to collapse or at least drag a wingtip. What was he thinking? On the way out, the pax tipped me $100 and said "dont split it".

I know you have stories as well, but enough is enough. Airline, military, cargo, charter....we are all here to do our job. If my captain tells me that airline guys suck, then he gets to redo my half ass cleaning job.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

........i need some serious minds to assist.

I don't usually act serious around here, but I like the way you lay out your situation. First let me say best of luck no matter the path you take.

I'm almost 40, with 3 kids (and the wiff wants one from China now) so I look at stability over anything else. NetJets is a company which dominates their industry, we aren't going anywhere. My job is very stable, which says a lot for a flying job.

The grass is always greener on the other side, but once you go there, you see its because they planted the lawn over a septic tank! Point is, flying is flying... but at 63-67 when you look back and look forward, you better see two things:

• A career (with a company) you'd do all over again
• A bank account with 7 digits and growing....

I should see both with NetJets in 25 years. Again, best of luck.

Bill
(Wolfpackpilot)

 

[Dr Pepper]

There were 16 new hires in the July class and 12 in this months class (or that is how the new seniority list shows it). There are some people missing that started sims before co. indoc. FSI appears to be maxed out. They are hurting on instructors.

Owners wait list is fleet dependent per NJ sales. Some have no wait.

The quality of pilot is the same at NetJets that is going to the majors. Some have been around the globe, some have only flown RJs in the midwest. There are a ton of people trying to make commutting work. The pay is bad for trying to survive in LA or NY.

To the original question, apply now, get a job offer, and then decide.

 

[livethedream]

the pax tipped me $100 and said "dont split it".

ya right

 

[ATRCA]

Thanks boys and girls. I'll take some time to think about my options. In the space in between I will apply and see what comes of it all.

 

[DO-82 driver]

You probably got turned down by Mesa, and therefore hate pilots with airline background.

If my captain tells me that airline guys suck, then he gets to redo my half ass cleaning job.

You made me laugh on this one Ski.....

First off...please don't confuse the term Airline with Regional.

Second.. I was furloughed 3 times before Mesa even existed.

Third...I'll redo your half assed cleaning job once if it doesn't meet NJA standards. I'll let you know it wasn't cleaned to NJA standards. The second time, you'll explain it to the ACP/CP.

 

[Diesel]

Hey at least he admits he does a half assed cleaning job.

Must be beneath him to do his job correctly.

 

[Fozzy]

Like I said, this is a great job and a great company. Just be prepared for a much longer upgrade time than told during the interview.

What? The company lied to you?
Welcome to the club.
Did you get anything in writing? No? Again, welcome to the club.

If you have safety concerns there are more professional avenues to deal with them. If you are not going to do that, then zip it, because it must have not been that bad.

Yes there are some knuckle heads out there. They are everywhere, you should know that by now.

Next, do your job and stop acting like a child :crying: with the "half ass cleaning job" BS. It would be like working with a 16 year old.

From the sounds of you posts above, I think you may be happy elsewhere.

 

[FLYLOW22]

With only about 10 upgrades per month (120 per year), do any of you real experts foresee faster upgrades?

Do you guys think that NJs will still be able to hire (and retain) the quality of pilots, without offering moremoney for the FOs?

That's an interesting point you make.

HIRE (train) and RETAIN.

Curently, I'd say the company has issues doing both.

To Train:

The company recently hired a V.P. of Training that apparently is a Jedi Master from the Majors. Been doing it and kicking butt for decades now according to his bio. I'm excited about this even though I so enjoyed the 6 months off (in the training swamp) everytime I'd bid a new ride. The single biggest obstacle for this new V.P. will be the degree to which the good old boy network allows him to affect REAL change within the NetJets Aviation heirarchy of ass kissing.

At NJ, Flotsom and Jetsom are both rewarded equally with new management positions when they should have been flushed years ago. If the new V.P. doesn't get the latitude he needs, all of his efforts will be all talk and no go. Change sucks, but what's more important here?

To Retain:

More money and basing options. Period. Done.


Addressing the TRAIN and RETAIN aspects of hiring will do nothing but increase the total number of pilots (F/O's) staying on property AND allow the company to drastically increase the RATE at which pilots can be trained/upgradeded/transitioned/etc.

 

[gunfyter]

I was one of the first to sound the Alarm on upgrade times on thi board.

In the past nobody cared about FO pay because nobody was on it even for a year.

Even though some of us were aware, we still voted yes on the CBA. Why? Because we were under siege for -- yrs and out of bandaids bullets and beans.

And knowing that the FO pay and basing would come back and bite management in the ass ... they have to fix it.

 

[skiandsurf]

What? The company lied to you?
From the sounds of you posts above, I think you may be happy elsewhere.

Guys, I write on these boards for a couple of reasons. First is to keep the boards entertaining. Second is to share "real" information.

I do like this job at NJs. It is a much better job than any airline. Job security is unmatched. Variety of flying great.

The point that I am trying to get across is to the pilots considering coming over here. Upgrades are no longer 1-2 yrs. If you are a senior XJet captain, you might be better off staying there. Sure, our captains are making almost as much (some lots more) than the major pilots. But, the FO pay is much less.

If the upgrades pickup, it is doable. But with only 10 upgrades per month, it going to take a long time. (whatever happened to the 200-400 guys that were to quit after the retro check. I think only 1 or 2 quit).

If you want to come work here, and see places that you never heard of and meet people that you have heard of, this is the place to be.

Again, this is a great place and I really enjoy working here, its just the lack of communication (on certain issues) from the company that is bothersome.

 

[flyipilot]

I do 1/4 of an ass cleaning job and my planes come out sparkly and shiny! Anyone doing 1/2 ass cleaning job is gloing way above and beyond the call of duty. I am teasing of course and I think the cleaning is the best part of the job. No food tastes quite as good after a celeb has tried it. Maybe we can save the scraps and sell them on ebay for millions! But, that is not my style. I do not like to share. As for the comment about FO pay always going up due to cost of living. Well, true but, that is about 2.5% and that is a lot less than the contract rate. But for those who think after 5 years a 57.29 increase in pay per check is good...well, you are in for a treat! It is simple..the flying is awesome, the people are awesome, the plane is awesome, the pay sucks. But, I do believe it will get better in time.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Fly

It will ...........and thank you for the post.

If an F/O doesn't do their job it only makes the job of the Lefter 10X that more difficult.

F/O's..... do your job and I'll do mine and it will make for an easy tour.

When you upgrade you'll understand what I am talking about.

If you make my life easy....I'll make your life easy.

 

[Diesel]

Don't worry guys I've got a pic of do82 washing the windows. He's been there done that.

It was a long IOE process.

 

[Hawker dude]

Fly

It will ...........and thank you for the post.

If an F/O doesn't do their job it only makes the job of the Lefter 10X that more difficult.

F/O's..... do your job and I'll do mine and it will make for an easy tour.

When you upgrade you'll understand what I am talking about.

If you make my life easy....I'll make your life easy.

dude,

you're d DI#k. what's your problem? you make NJA sound like Mesa. go away ya Pri#$.

How about you do your job and not be such an A-teamer.

 

[fischman]

Fly

It will ...........and thank you for the post.

If an F/O doesn't do their job it only makes the job of the Lefter 10X that more difficult.

F/O's..... do your job and I'll do mine and it will make for an easy tour.

When you upgrade you'll understand what I am talking about.

If you make my life easy....I'll make your life easy.

Holy crap man. I hope you are joking. It is hard to read sarcasm.

If you aren't joking, it looks like you failed CRM? :erm:

 

[DO-82 driver]

Easy guys.... I was poking fun at someone else.....

These were "words of wisdom" given to me about 8 years ago from a rather notorious Captain who used to be in the Ultra.

Things have changed for the better in those years!!!!

 

[learflyer]

it made it sound like you drink coffee inside the fbo while "your" fo is out bustin' his hump.