Thinking of Netjets and ..........

[DO-82 driver]

Believe me, I am far from that type of pilot.

Diesel can certainly atest to that fact.

But there was a time here when some guys used to do that along with insisting that ALL pax leg be flown from the left seat because....."That's what the owners expect."

 

[gunfyter]

it made it sound like you drink coffee inside the fbo while "your" fo is out bustin' his hump.

Doesn't everybody?

 

[Guitar rocker]

dude,

you're d DI#k. what's your problem? you make NJA sound like Mesa. go away ya Pri#$.

How about you do your job and not be such an A-teamer.

Relax sport. 82's a good man.

 

[fischman]

Believe me, I am far from that type of pilot.

Diesel can certainly atest to that fact.

But there was a time here when some guys used to do that along with insisting that ALL pax leg be flown from the left seat because....."That's what the owners expect."

Cool. Can I suggest a smiley next time? Hard to read sarcasm, and it made you look pretty bad.

 

[DO-82 driver]

How's this......

 

[Killswitch135R]

Will a 737 type do anything for me at NJA? I've got an app in at SWA, but they're on a freeze. I live in FL and don't want to move. How does the commute work with NJA?

 

[CA1900]

Will a 737 type do anything for me at NJA? I've got an app in at SWA, but they're on a freeze.

If that's where you really want to work, then I'd shoot for that first. NJA is a very different kind of work from airline work. Just be aware of that.

To answer your question, though, I don't think it'll help or hurt your chances here. They're focused primarily on customer service abilities, and being able to come up with creative solutions to issues that come up on the road.

I live in FL and don't want to move. How does the commute work with NJA?

You find out by 6pm before your first work day what time you have to show up in PBI. How you get there is up to you. Note that we don't have jumpseat agreements with anybody, so don't plan on free airlines rides to get to work.

For shorter distances (I live in central FL), most of us just drive the rountrip every two weeks. For longer distances, some guys will buy cheap airline tickets well in advance (on the 7/7 schedule, obviously), and stay the night before work.

I've had shows as early as 5:30am, so the first flight in the morning isn't something I'd plan on. Most of my shows have been around 8am, but I've had earlier ones. For the super-early ones, I'll come down the night before and stay in a hotel.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Will a 737 type do anything for me at NJA? I've got an app in at SWA, but they're on a freeze. I live in FL and don't want to move. How does the commute work with NJA?

Having a 737 type won't really help but it won't hurt either. As has been previously stated, if you meet the minimums and want to work here, apply. If you can get an internal letter of recommendation, that's also a plus.

As for commuting, you select your domicile (there are currently 5: PBI, CMH, TEB, DAL and LAX) and you report there at the assigned time on your first duty day. On the last day of your tour, the company is responsible for getting you back to your domicile within 14 hours of duty or they pay you extra as a penalty (currently 2 days at the extended-day rate.)

The current CBA is available online if you want to know about pay, vacation, etc. You can easily find it via a search.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Will a 737 type do anything for me at NJA? I've got an app in at SWA, but they're on a freeze. I live in FL and don't want to move. How does the commute work with NJA?

It will not get you in the BBJ, if that is what you are asking. An excel type will not necessarily get you an excel either.

Apply to both. SWA will hire again when the calendar rolls over. Both are about a 6 month hiring timeline. YMMV. Different jobs, but both are good companies.

bonne chance

 

[flyipilot]

Guys...I agree with 82 and with the rest of ya. I do believe that the tone of the cockpit is set by BOTH pilots and either one can make it a long week. As I see it, I go beyond what I need to do for NJ, our valued guests, and my CA. I do not mind taking great care of the plane since I hate dirt, cleaning is a way of life for me.. I have NO problem setting up the FMS, and cockpit, cleaning the plane, stocking the inventory, and loading the bags. I think the CA should be greeting the guests, dealing with weather and maintenance issues, and making sure we have the fuel to not fall out of the sky. It is a total team here and I love the guys I fly with. My only beef is that I wish the pay was more but I did take the job knowing what i was so I never complain on the road...only here.. I like to take care of my captains so long as they take care of me later.. (just teasing)...geeeez.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Taking care of the plane and pax is the CREW'S responsibility.

I can't see having an hour to eat while my partner is out there cleaning or doing Jepps. If we both get in there and do what has to be done then we both get 45 minutes.

Now, given the tight quarters of the cabin it is sometimes difficult for 2 guys to clean in the back, but one can clean and the other can get stock or do something to prep for the next flight.

Its mainly about establishing a routine on how and when to do stuff.

 

[learflyer]

Taking care of the plane and pax is the CREW'S responsibility.

I can't see having an hour to eat while my partner is out there cleaning or doing Jepps. If we both get in there and do what has to be done then we both get 45 minutes.

Now, given the tight quarters of the cabin it is sometimes difficult for 2 guys to clean in the back, but one can clean and the other can get stock or do something to prep for the next flight.

Its mainly about establishing a routine on how and when to do stuff.

This is the way it ought to be, and works the best.

 

[cush]

CA1900,

You think I have misconceptions about the job huh? How long have you been flying fractional? Less than a year?? I've got more time in the lav in this industry than you have in the right seat. Don't preach about how good you have it until you've drank the kool-aid a little longer son.

In in year 12 at Netjets. I been here too long to drink out of the kool-aid bowl...But I absolutely love my job...when I'm there.

Now go back and clean the lav son.

 

[exeagle]

so how long IS the wait for Dal?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Will a 737 type do anything for me at NJA? How does the commute work with NJA?

Do you expect to fly a 737 at NJLA?

Commute? Perfect to not very well to absolutel nightmare depending on how far you live from the Domicile.

This is one of the HUGE reasons that F/Os are hard to keep for NJA.

The issue is being addressed by contract negotiations currently. The better the offer is from the company, the more they cared about the issue.

If they offer anything that detracts from current HBA rights, I'd look for a big fat NO vote from most.

"Interest Based Bargaining will be WIN WIN". We've all heard it from both sides...

"Win/Win" in this current round of negotiations means the pilots WIN by getting a rediculous amount of choices to base from and WIN for the company means, well, the company can grow to a rediculous size becasue F/Os won't continue to type and bail a yuear later as the commute grows on them like QOL gangrene.

That's a win win.

 

[Semore Butts]

I'm hurrying as fast as I can!

I hate waiting for the F.O. to get the aircraft covered up so we can go to the hotel! Sheesh!

We are a team, I hate waiting in the FBO!

Lets work together! With my worn out back, it's a necessity.

Most all of my Cpts in the HAwker have been great!

I hope my FO's feel the same. If not tough ********************!


HAHAHAHHAHAA (Just kidding)

 

[Allen1]

Don't come here unless you want to make 40,000 as an FO for a long time, it's not worth it.

 

[CA1900]

Don't come here unless you want to make 40,000 as an FO for a long time, it's not worth it.

Quite the change of heart from your earlier position. What changed?

I've been at NetJets 2 years and I'm not making to much less than their airbus captains and I'm right seat in the ultra. Of course my income includes holiday pay and overtime. Wow I guess I'll just keep flying my small airplane and when I upgrade in a year I'll make more the an airbus captain in the left seat of an ultra. But hey I don't get to fly an airbus though.

And let's not forget the thousands of dollars in annual health care benefits you crow about, too.

Hey, you're miserable and you're senior to me. Probably time to move on, then.

 

[cldsfr79]

Don't come here unless you want to make 40,000 as an FO for a long time, it's not worth it.

Allen1, what's going on? You don't like working at the best fractional in the world, or at the company with the best job securtiy in the aviation industry?

I don't mean to be rude but, I've been reading your posts, and it sounds like someone needs to go back to the airlines.

I'm an FO and I agrea that FO pay is low at NJA, but I knew that going into the game, and I also know that our union is doing the best they can to change that.

We have a lot of good things at this company. How about you start paying hundreds a month for your healthcare, start sleeping in comfort inns, and starve through out the day without your crew food. How about going back to having only 10 days off a month and limited vacation time?

Netjets is the best thing out there and if you can't handle the initial pay, slow upgrade times, or flying "small" airplanes, I suggest moving on.

Once, again, I'm sorry for the assult, but I don't like fellow work mates ripping on "our" company.

 

[johnsonrod]

Allen,

Clearly you are not happy at Netjets. If you need to fly a scarebus to feel good about yourself, Skybus, Jet Blue, Virgin America, USA 3000 and other Airbus operators are hiring (even United and NWA). Do yourself a favor and make a change.