Things to do in mormonland

[G100driver]

My favorite Mexican resturant in all the US is the Red Eguana just down the road from the airport on the way to town. Always a line, always worth the wait.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

:nuts: Holy sh!t! All I wanted was the name of a couple of bars and maybe a golf course!!

I love you guys

Settle down, Beavis. This is a message board, what do you think people are going to talk about when the threat is titled "things to do in MORMONland. :crying:



You should have titled it 'things to do in SLC'

SLC's great. I'm a history buff, and I find learning about the mormons very interesting, especially if you're right there. Even though I don't believe in alot of that mormon mumbojumbo, it's still interesting and the temple is awesome. SLC is just like any other city, except they do have some goofy alcohol laws, probably having something to do with the church. I know...makes no sense. You can skrew a different one of your wives on any given night, but the lawmakers regulate your drinking.

Regarding weird drinking laws, Oklahoma has that reduced alcohol beer $hit. I've never heard of anything like that before until I went drinking in Oklahoma, and I was my 6th beer and didn't have a buzz yet. WTF

 

[uncle_rico]

Settle down, Beavis. This is a message board, what do you think people are going to talk about when the threat is titled "things to do in MORMONland. :crying:



You should have titled it 'things to do in SLC'

SLC's great. I'm a history buff, and I find learning about the mormons very interesting, especially if you're right there. Even though I don't believe in alot of that mormon mumbojumbo, it's still interesting and the temple is awesome. SLC is just like any other city, except they do have some goofy alcohol laws, probably having something to do with the church. I know...makes no sense. You can skrew a different one of your wives on any given night, but the lawmakers regulate your drinking.

It's really a rare experience to come across someone so ignorant to the truth yet think they are such a fountain of knowledge. You have set a new standard in trash talking.
I wish you well....I'm done with this.....one word of caution, however. You are WAY off on what you think you know about the LDS church. Obviously you believe what you've been told, so I have to assume you try to be an honest person, but what you've been told is merely shades of truth twisted to sound ridiculous....which by the way....can be done with anything.
You say you "enjoy" learning about the mormons? Good...but your sources are way off....kinda like me going and asking Bin Laden to teach my kids about US history.

 

[414Flyer]

Well for the benefit of us non-LDS, then how about some of the LDS here tell us what some of those incorrect assertions are and what the corrections are, instead of just saying those websites are wrong without telling us what was wrong.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

It's really a rare experience to come across someone so ignorant to the truth yet think they are such a fountain of knowledge. You have set a new standard in trash talking.
I wish you well....I'm done with this.....one word of caution, however. You are WAY off on what you think you know about the LDS church. Obviously you believe what you've been told, so I have to assume you try to be an honest person, but what you've been told is merely shades of truth twisted to sound ridiculous....which by the way....can be done with anything.
You say you "enjoy" learning about the mormons? Good...but your sources are way off....kinda like me going and asking Bin Laden to teach my kids about US history.

Ok there Rico Suave.
First off, I'm not ignorant. 2nd, I've never once claimed to be a fountain of knowledge, nor have put down the mormon religion. Just because I'm opinionated and I voice my opinion, does not mean that I'm putting down the religion. I have been educated by mormons. My best friend is a mormon. I find the mormon religion interesting, even though don't believe in it. Just because a person chooses not to believe what mormons believe DOES NOT MAKE THEM IGNORANT. People in this country have a right to opinions. People in this country also have a right to express their opinions. Just because my opinion is different from yours or differs from what the mormons teach, does not mean that I'm ignorant of what you call the "truth". It's your opinion that you believe what mormons teach, and I respect that.

 

[justthewife]

Okay boys, that's enough. There's only one way to settle this. Casserole bake off, at the wardhouse, NOW!!!

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Im with Midnight Flyer on this one! You are 100% correct sir!

User998 and MF your guys are smart guys. Ill buy you guys a beer anytime.
I just got done watching that southpark episode on Mormons online, that was great!

Dear Mormons –

I don't mind hearing your views and rebuttals, but how about giving me some substance to go on here.

please respond to the following:

Are you interested in joining the Mormon church? Are you curious about it? Maybe you are taking or have taken the missionary lessons. Perhaps you even think that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a good Christian church that is family oriented and filled with godly people. If so, there are some things you need to know before you sign on the dotted line.
Mormonism is considered a non-Christian cult by all of Christianity. All you need to do is go to any Christian bookstore and look in the cult section. You will see books on Mormonism there. Now, are we "anti-Mormons" simply people who have a grudge against the LDS church? I can't speak for all who oppose Mormonism, but I have no grudge against it at all. I was never a Mormon and no Mormon injured me in the past. They are nice people. The problem isn't with them. It is with what they teach. It simply isn't Christian.
Mormon missionaries will tell you that there was an apostasy and that Joseph Smith was the one who restored the true gospel to this earth. This is a typical claim by every cult. Every one of them says that the present Christian church is false and that their initial leader restored the "truth." They have to invalidate present Christianity in order to get you to accept their brand of it.
Christianity teaches that there is only one God. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods. Christianity teaches you cannot become a god. Mormonism says you can. In fact, Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another planet who became a god and brought one of his wives with him to this world. In case you doubt this, check out the documentation below which is taken from Mormon writers.
Like all non-Christian cults, Mormonism uses the Bible to support its doctrines and does so improperly. For example, when the Bible says that there are no other gods besides God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8), Mormons quickly add "of this world." That means that there really are other gods out there and that the Bible is talking only about this world and not about others. They often quote 1 Cor. 8:5-6 which mentions the existence of other gods. But when doing this, they fail to read exactly what it says, that there are "so-called gods." In other words, they are called gods, but really are not gods. Paul was speaking about false gods, not the true and living God. Mormons frequently misrepresent scripture and take verses out of context to make it say what they want. Those who do not know what the Bible really teaches will easily be fooled by this cult.

Why is this important?
This is important because eternal salvation is at stake. God warned us to not serve false gods (Exodus 20), which are really not gods by nature (Gal. 4:8). He warned us to believe in the true Christ, not the false ones of the cults (Matt. 24:24). The god of Mormonism is false and cannot save you or anyone.
If you believe in a false god, you will be danged to eternal hell. Why, because ultimately, false gods do not exist except in the mind of the believer. In spite of being good, in spite of attending the Mormon church with its polished appearance, in spite of believing in Mormon doctrine about a man from another planet, you will go to hell if you believe in Mormon doctrine. It cannot save you from the righteous requirements that God requires. Only the true Jesus can save you from your sins. Not a god from another planet. Only the true God who alone is God in all the universe can save you.

Do you want to trust Mormon doctrine?
Following is a list of a few doctrines of Mormonism. Do you want to put your eternal trust in a church that teaches the following doctrines?

1. The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie, p. 635. They teach there was an apostasy and the true church ceased to exist on earth.

There are many gods, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.

God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.

1. After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.

If you want further information, information that the Mormons won't tell you until you are very well entrenched in their cult, then read more of this site. It is full of information about why Mormonism is nothing more than a clever, false look-alike that cannot help you before God.

 

[Lollie]

I heard yo'r pole huggers have to wear pasties & thongs...not worth going to those bars haugh...

 

[uncle_rico]

Ok there Rico Suave.
First off, I'm not ignorant. 2nd, I've never once claimed to be a fountain of knowledge, nor have put down the mormon religion. Just because I'm opinionated and I voice my opinion, does not mean that I'm putting down the religion. I have been educated by mormons. My best friend is a mormon. I find the mormon religion interesting, even though don't believe in it. Just because a person chooses not to believe what mormons believe DOES NOT MAKE THEM IGNORANT. People in this country have a right to opinions. People in this country also have a right to express their opinions. Just because my opinion is different from yours or differs from what the mormons teach, does not mean that I'm ignorant of what you call the "truth". It's your opinion that you believe what mormons teach, and I respect that.

The problem I have with almost every post you have on this thread is that you are trying to "teach" what we as a church believe. The average reader will see what you post, and then, not knowing any different, walk away thinking what you have written is truth.

As I have said many times, what you say we believe is either out right wrong or, like 99% of all "anti-mormon" literature, will have some truth to it but be presented in such a way as to twist or misrepresent fact. Hence my use of the word ignorant....NOT stupid.

Of course you have rights to opinions, as you can see I'm full of them myself. I only get ruffled when you say you are not "putting down" the LDS church but every post of yours is trying to tell everyone how strange and off base we are.

If you know us as a religion so well you would know that one of our most basic beliefs is the right that EVERY man can worship who, where, or what they may. You will NEVER find a SINGLE scrap of official church produced material that tries to bash or disprove another religion.....ever.

If you or any other reader here wants to really discuss our beliefs, I would more than love to do so. PM me and I'll discuss anything you want. I will no longer respond here in this thread due to its obvious "mood".

Here is the OFFICIAL response to all this "mormons aren't christians" non-sense:


Question:
Are you Christians?

Answer:
Gordon B. Hinckley, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said:

"We are Christians in a very real sense and that is coming to be more and more widely recognized. Once upon a time people everywhere said we are not Christians. They have come to recognize that we are, and that we have a very vital and dynamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ."
"We, of course, accept Jesus Christ as our Leader, our King, our Savior...the dominant figure in the history of the world, the only perfect Man who ever walked the earth, the living Son of the living God. He is our Savior and our Redeemer through whose atoning sacrifice has come the opportunity of eternal life." "Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints pray and worship in the name of Jesus Christ. He is the center of our faith and the head of our Church. The Book of Mormon is Another Testament of Jesus Christ and witnesses of His divinity, His life, and His Atonement."

 

[G100driver]

You guys are:

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Todd
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Grow up. who gives a $hit!

 

[421Driver]

Ditto GV and G100.

 

[User998]

Good grief, I fly off to the east coast for one day, come back and now all this!

I think I'm going to let the Dutchman take over here, he seems to know what he's talking about. I don't think I have near enough time to devote to this thread!

Uncle Rico, thank you for the civil rebuttals and information you provided previously to my answers and statements.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

uncle Rico -

One last time.......
read and respond please :

Do you want to trust Mormon doctrine?
Following is a list of a few doctrines of Mormonism. Do you want to put your eternal trust in a church that teaches the following doctrines?

1. The true gospel was lost from the earth. Mormonism is its restoration, Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce R. McConkie, p. 635. They teach there was an apostasy and the true church ceased to exist on earth.

There are many gods, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.

God used to be a man on another planet, Mormon Doctrine, p. 321. Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol 5, pp. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol 2, p. 345, Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333.

1. After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354.

If you want further information, information that the Mormons won't tell you until you are very well entrenched in their cult, then read more of this site. It is full of information about why Mormonism is nothing more than a clever, false look-alike that cannot help you before God.


user -

Screw that buddy. It's 75F outside, Im going to the pool, and have myself a few cold ones.

nuff' said.
FD

 

[User998]

Before I turn this over to Dutchie, I do have a few more questions and comments for Uncle Rico, since he responded so civil earlier. To follow up on a couple answers he'd given to my questions earlier.

One of the reasons why we beleive in the Book of Mormon is that we belive that God doens't only teach to one select group of people. .... How can a just God justify teaching only a small handful of people, and a very small region of the world a few thousand years ago, and expect to provide salvation to all? How do the inhabitants of the Americas and Asia 1000 years ago gain salvation? ...Which is why we teach not only using the Bible and Book of Mormon, but also the Doctorine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and numerous other church publications and writings from our church officers past and present. That is the difference between the LDS church and yours.
Yours believes that Gods communication with earth was to a select few in the middle east 2000 years ago, Mormons believe that God is has always been speaking, and to all of his Children.

So, you're telling me that my religion is false, because YOU believe that God doesn't only teach to one select group of people? My God does teach to all people, and all inhabitants of the world. It's called the Bible. The Bible gives you all the teachings you can read, and it isn't bound by the borders of a small country 2,000 years ago. It's been (even back then) dispersed all over the known world for those to read.

And furthermore, why would God wait until the mid 1800's to decide to start speaking to all his inhabitants and children again? What about from the period of when Christ died on the cross, to when Joseph Smith popped out the ole Seeier stone? Where was God supposedly during all this time, and what about all the lost souls that would've lived during that period, and had no been exposed to Christ?

Explain to me again these thee other publications that you use to supplement the legitimate Bible with. Where did they come from, how were they obtained, who wrote them, etc. Again, my religion and most others don't have supplements to go along with the Bible. What was written in the Bible, has stood firm for 2,000 years, and hasn't needed revisions, additions and omissions, and extra teaching material to reach the masses.

Ummm, you may want to talk with the thousands of Biblical scholars out there who would offer tons of proof out there that your claim is very wrong.

I'd really like to see some references and proof to this. And not Mormon church links either, you can't fight an argument with yourself - of course they're going to tell you its all wrong!

Quite right, if fact we openly claim that our view on the nature of God and Jesus Christ is quite different than most other religions...

Actually it does, since you mentioned that YOUR Jesus is different the most other religions, then how can you try and pass him off as the same Jesus that non-Mormons believe in? You always make the claim to non-believes that you believe in Jesus, as if it's the same one that everyone else does - therefore making your religion appear a way that it's not.

Again you are getting into LDS teachings of the nature of God, which you may disagree with. But more accurately the belief is that all beings in this universe are children of God. Satan is one of Gods children who rebelled against Him. Taking that view, yes Satan is in fact the brother of Jesus Christ.

So, let me ask you this. My King James Version Bible does NOT say Jesus is brothers with Satan. You're book of Mormon does. But you also said earlier that you guys used the KJV Bible as well. So how do you explain the contradictions between the KJV and the BOM? One says Satan is not his brother, the other says it is??

Your post is an excellent example of why the "us versus them" attitude. You have obviously spent a lot of time and effort studying the LDS church in an effort to try and prove it wrong. So have many others. Also look at the early history of the church....And you have to ask why we are on the defense.

You're making a big assumption about me, while being defensive again, about what my intentions are about studying your religion. What makes you think my intentions of having an open-mind and trying to understand another religion, means I'm trying to disprove it? I took all of the available information and logic behind your religion, and I used it to form my own opinion of your religion, practices, and validity. As I've heard way too many of you guys say "It's a religion that works for me, and it may not work for you." Exactly, and it doesn't work for me. This is where you and I differ. I don't take everything at face value that my church tells me. I don't blindly follow "the shepherds" as the Bible clearly states you should not. For instance, if you were to tell me that the Christian religion was wrong, and provided me material to read concerning it. I would open-mindedly read it, and You guys instead always take the defense, it's us vs. them, and anyone that doesn't agree with our church is just out to prove you wrong, or tear you guys down. Not the case - case of paranoia maybe.

And just for the record, your religion has been proven to be false, and a cult many, many times, by many Biblical Scholars throughout the world.

There was also great persecution in my church, hundreds of martyers thrown to the lions, hung on crosses, stoned to death, but you don't see my religion being on the defensive with anyone who asks questions or doesn't believe in what we say!

From a social standpoint, I can understand why you may not like the LDS church. Any time someone lives among a group that they do not belong to, there tends to be a lot of animosity. Non-Jews who live in a predominantly Jewish area tend to not like Jews. Non-Catholics who live among a lot of Catholics. Ethic groups who live in areas of predominantly other ethinc groups tend not to like them as well. So the standpoint of where you are coming from us understandable.

My uncle being in the church, my ex-girlfriend, my former co-workers, actually didn't cause me to not like the LDS church. It's what gave me the interest to research and delve into the religion, to better understand them and what they believed, and that in turn turned me off to the religion for various reasons. It also revealed to me how terribly wrong some parts of your religion are, and also how cult-like (and we're not talking just about devotion here) the whole organization is. Also, living a daily life surrounded by Mormons allowed to me see a lot of unethical and questionable things that you guys participate in, and furthermore turned me off to the validity of your religion. I don't think its fair to compare the different ethnic group, living in non ethnic areas to your church.

And I copletely disagree with your statement that living amongst other groups of people that I don't belong to create animosity towards them. That must be a church doctrine to "explain" to you guys why so many people don't like you. This is America baby. In my small community we have Catholics, Protestants, Metodists, Blacks, Mexican, Chinese, and we all get along.

And no I didn't live in SLC, as you had mentioned. I don't care to mention what town it was, for reasons of anonymity, but I can't imagine that anyone in the Mormon church wouldn't know where the second most Mormon populated area is!

 

[User998]

And about this cult checklist. Give me a break saying that any religion can be viewed as cult like. Sure they can if you use that loose definition you gave me - no doubt from the church. Why would they want you to believe or make you think that you were a cult.

Let's look over it, and anyone who has ever known a Mormon for any amount of time, can verify the checkmarks that I'm going to place on it.

From the website:
Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may have been manipulated, exploited, even abused. The following list of social-structural, social-psychological, and interpersonal behavioral patterns commonly found in cultic environments may be helpful in assessing a particular group or relationship.

Compare these patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern. Bear in mind that this list is not meant to be a “cult scale” or a definitive checklist to determine if a specific group is a cult. This is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool.

‪YES - The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
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YES - Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
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POSSIBLY - Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
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YES - The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear,
where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
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YES - The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
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YES - The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

‪YES - The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

‪YES - The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

‪YES - The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

‪NO - Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

‪YES - The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

‪YES - The group is preoccupied with making money.

‪YES - Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

‪YES - Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

‪YES - The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

USER998's COMMENTS START HERE:
Seriously guys, whether you admit it out loud or not, you guys are a cult. My religion is not structured like this, and we're not a cult. Your leaders of the church have a mind-control, and pyscological control on all it's members that is indredibly impressive. And what's sad is, despite all the facts being shown to you, and even lookin at the above checklist (created by a foundation that specializes in non-biased cult research), you guys still don't get it. You've been conditioned to not accept anyone but your church's thoughts and "take on life".

I'm not saying you have to admit it, but in the back of your head, I think we're all intelligent enough to see through all of the BS.

Just remember, the followers of Jim Jones, and Jamestown didn't realize they were in a cult because of the brainwashing, until they all moved out to the jungle and committed mass suicide by drinking poison-laced Koolaid.