The truth about CS

[Humphreybogart]

Why do you guys go to training on your days OFF????

That is changing this comming year to where we'll be going to training during our tour and it didn't cost me any union dues to have that happen.

P.S. How do you like my new avatar pic? Just had them done at Sears.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Oh a big plus is I was looking at my pay stub and I didn't see any union dues taken out. My quality of life has been outstanding since I have been with CS. Can you say the same for NJA? Some of you guys would take any job just for the price tag. I can't do that. I put a big value on quality of life and so far at Cshares even when I started as an FO in my mind I was making 100K. Not everyone thinks like this and probably are the ones that just bitch and bitch and bitch all day long in the cockpit.

Million dollar question...
Why do we park on a driveway, and drive on a parkway?
NJA union can answer that one so the pilots can keep on getting something for their dues.

The reason why we pay dues is for that sign you see in TEB and other places, which helped us get our rasie and subsequently yours as well. The reson that your CEO followed suit and gave you a pay rasie is simply becasue he knew that CS would lose pilots and you guys cant afford to have planes with no pilots. Granted, not everyone would leave a place of employment if they are loyal, but I think many would if they could do the same work with considerably better pay and better work rules. Dont think that your CEO would have rasied your pay to what it is out of the blue. We got a rasie becasue we fought for it and we deserved it after a 4 year long fight.

Additionally, we pay dues for those unexpected times where one may need representation. As a result of our union, we have by and large, some pretty good work rules which have to be followed by the company. I am sure that not all CS think along your same lines.

 

[Guitar rocker]

The company has grown and made promises and has kept promises. Is there bad times sure. Are there times you get frustrated sure. Its part of life. At no time have I ever asked myself what am I doing here. I look forward to going to work every other week. You talk about unions, I personaly don't like them. I love the fact we don't have one. Our company listens to its employees and makes changes. One thing I think is funny is that the first post on this trend stated about someone leaving just shy of a year and getting screwed with the contract. Well I think I know who that is, and that person now works again for CS after he lost his new job at ATA. He came back. That has to say something about a company. The company knew he was a good worker and they let him come back.
ADIOS

P.S. life is to short to be a bitchy pilot

Just wait until the promises get broken. It's a fact of life as a company gets bigger, it's going to happen. It's nice when it's small like you guys are and everyone kinda knows everyone. Almost like a family atmosphere. Mark my words, that all goes out the window the bigger it gets. Your company may listen to you now becasue you know people at all levels, but when it gets bigger and a lot of new and unfamiliar faces keep rolling in, nobody is going to know you if they stepped on you. Last but not least, they arent going to listen to you. Pilots never have the big picture!

As for your buddy that left and went to ATA and came back, NJA does the same. I know a few people who they hired back.

Unfortunately, I think in due time, you will see what I mean. And perhaps then you may take back your "P.S. life is too short to be a bitchy pilot."

 

[Guitar rocker]

 

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

Wow, this is a tough thread.

I would love to see a couple of NJA & CS flyboys go at it verbally in an FBO's pilot lounge.

Jerry! Jerry ! Jerry!

 

[XTW]

All the converstions that I have witnessed, and been engaged in, have been very cordial. We respect each other as professionals. This has been my experience since I was hired.



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[ATA73Pilot]

ok...

Did the second phone screen recently. It definitely didn't seem to go well from the get go.

Afterwards I received the following e-mail...

I have decided to hold on your application for the time being.​

Thanks for your interest in CitationShares.

Respectfully,...

OK....not at all unexpected after how the phone screen went....but does this mean there's still a chance in the future.

Or just a nice way of saying thanks but take a hike?

 

[Diesel]

I don't want to sound like a prick so don't take it that way cs guys.

But how during the phone interview can they tell how you are as a person? Maybe your kid just threw up or your wife was yelling at you to fix the garbage disposal.

What do you think went wrong? Vague is fine. I'm just saying. On the phone i could be talking to a 900 sex number with some hot blonde or a fat guy with a high voice. The phone isn't allways the true example of a person.

 

[ATA73Pilot]

What do you think went wrong? Vague is fine. I'm just saying.

I wish I knew. I've been through a few interviews through the years and you can pick up on the vibe pretty quickly. The first screening seemed to go pretty well. Very relaxed, cordial. The interviewer was responsive.

The second screening - well I could just sense the interviewer and I weren't "clicking". It seemed tense, no "feedback" from the interviewer. Ask the question, I answered, long pause. Next question. No technical questions, some situational. Mostly - tell me why you want to work here kind of stuff. Lot's of pregnant pauses after I would answer a question. Interviewer seemed surprised (and not in a good way) when I had no questions to ask him.

One thing I know is I'm not the greatest interviewee (I'm still smarting from the UAL debacle of '95).

The overall sense I got was that there was a "burr under his saddle" about me from the start.

The one question...."What do you think would be the most difficult thing about working here would be?" That one really threw me. As I thought about it - there wasn't anything that seemed all that difficult at all about working there. And if there was then I should be in another line of work!

It's a shame - I thought CS and I would be a good fit for many different reasons. Oh well back into the fray...

On a side note....After almost 20 years in this business....I have to chuckle at the various interview questions over the years.

So many of the questions only have one obvious answer and everyone knows it. So of what value are they to determining the true fitness of an applicant?

I know good loyal employees with excellent flying skills who weren't able to get past the intrview stage to be hired....and then I've known the true screw-ups who play the interview game well and go on to the dream job (where they keep screwing up).

Sorry for the long winded diatribe!

 

[Fozzy]

Hey ATA,
You seem like a good guy. NJA is hiring, and they take the time to sit down with you during the interview. Give us a try.

 

[Heavy Set]

I wish I knew. I've been through a few interviews through the years and you can pick up on the vibe pretty quickly. The first screening seemed to go pretty well. Very relaxed, cordial. The interviewer was responsive.

The second screening - well I could just sense the interviewer and I weren't "clicking". It seemed tense, no "feedback" from the interviewer. Ask the question, I answered, long pause. Next question. No technical questions, some situational. Mostly - tell me why you want to work here kind of stuff. Lot's of pregnant pauses after I would answer a question. Interviewer seemed surprised (and not in a good way) when I had no questions to ask him.

One thing I know is I'm not the greatest interviewee (I'm still smarting from the UAL debacle of '95).

The overall sense I got was that there was a "burr under his saddle" about me from the start.

The one question...."What do you think would be the most difficult thing about working here would be?" That one really threw me. As I thought about it - there wasn't anything that seemed all that difficult at all about working there. And if there was then I should be in another line of work!

It's a shame - I thought CS and I would be a good fit for many different reasons. Oh well back into the fray...

On a side note....After almost 20 years in this business....I have to chuckle at the various interview questions over the years.

So many of the questions only have one obvious answer and everyone knows it. So of what value are they to determining the true fitness of an applicant?

I know good loyal employees with excellent flying skills who weren't able to get past the intrview stage to be hired....and then I've known the true screw-ups who play the interview game well and go on to the dream job (where they keep screwing up).

Sorry for the long winded diatribe!

CS must have assumed that with all of your flight experience (737-800, 757/767, etc.) you were unfit to fly a Citation Bravo. Their loss... Run over to NJA as soon as possible...

 

[PlaneStupid]

Spoke with Barry Lambert a few times. He seemed nice but a bit different, and since I lived 12 minutes outside their commute distance and was not interested in moving it was a no go. The pilots I have spoken to seem to enjoy the job, and I have not heard many negatives.

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[nerdpilot]

Do you still have to pay for your interview at netjets???? I know that in the last 5 or so years they stopped making people pay for their own training??

 

[Diesel]

pay for interview? Do you mean like hotels and airline?

No you don't have to pay for anything, interview, type, nor is there a 2 year contract.

 

[NJA bound]

Interviewed and hired in Nov 05, the only thing I've paid for so far is the stamp to mail the application. NetJets buys your airline ticket to the interview and they put you up in the Hilton.