The REAL NJ TA Story

[realityman]

Fisch,

They are working on merging the two seniority lists but not the two companies. NJI will continue to operate as a stand-alone company with Okatie as the headquarters and with separate work rules just as NJLA does now. The only changes down the road will be that all new positions will be filled by 1108 members (next November) and NJI pilots will eventually hold 1108 seniority numbers and be subject to the CBA (date to be determined).

It may seem like a small distinction but if you ask any of the crossover guys if they want to go back to CMH running their lives you will get a resounding NO.

Just a clarification. In the first part of your post you claim it'll be separate work rules, but at the end mention being under our CBA. If you're operating under our CBA you must definitely will not have separate work rules.
There will be fences for seat positions and pay, but completely integrated in all other respects. Now, as for which location is running the operation, I do hope the G's keep Okatie!

 

[RTRHD]

OK I will bite what does the New Jersey Library Association (NJLA) have to do with anything. Serious what is NJLA? Is it the BBJ's.

 

[realityman]

Netjets Large Aircraft.

Yep. BBJ's

 

[RTRHD]

Ok,duh!!!!

 

[gutshotdraw]

By work rules, I am referring to company operations policies that are not covered by the CBA. For one rather interesting example, there is nothing in the CBA that says what the Captain-First Officer ratio must be. Therefore, before the seniority integration occurs, NJI management could elect to make the ratio 90-10 if they wanted thereby granting every NJI F/O currently on the property PIC status and the salary that goes with it. Interesting prospect, yes?

 

[IDEtoNJA]

By work rules, I am referring to company operations policies that are not covered by the CBA. For one rather interesting example, there is nothing in the CBA that says what the Captain-First Officer ratio must be. Therefore, before the seniority integration occurs, NJI management could elect to make the ratio 90-10 if they wanted thereby granting every NJI F/O currently on the property PIC status and the salary that goes with it. Interesting prospect, yes?

Gutshotdraw,

The example you mention brings up an interesting situation.

Lets assume the Company does decide to change the PIC to SIC ratio on the NJI side to a 9 to 1 ratio. How many SIC's does NJI currently have? Does a seat/equipment lock affect non cross over NJI SIC's? How would the requirements of LOA 01-013 affect the Company's wishes to award each and every non cross over SIC to a PIC position? What would the logistics and cost be to abide by the requirements of LOA 01-013 in this scenario?

IDEtoNJA

 

[FLYLOW22]

Fisch,

They are working on merging the two seniority lists but not the two companies. NJI will continue to operate as a stand-alone company with Okatie as the headquarters and with separate work rules just as NJLA does now. The only changes down the road will be that all new positions will be filled by 1108 members (next November) and NJI pilots will eventually hold 1108 seniority numbers and be subject to the CBA (date to be determined).

It may seem like a small distinction but if you ask any of the crossover guys if they want to go back to CMH running their lives you will get a resounding NO.

I know that it seems like the 2 companies are "separate" now and in the future but with all the sitance we are closing between NJLA, NJA and NJI... it's going to feel like one company because it is... NetJets.

This us/them crap was stupid from the beginning. It's to see it end.

NJLA keeps it's own management team too... for looks.

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

I too am a little naive as to the fractional side so please forgive me in advance.

Is one awarded aircraft type in newhire class based on the "seniority" within that class as to what's available? Or is it just assigned?

What aircraft are the "junior" aircraft and therefore what you'll most likely get?

Is reserve similiar to that of an airline? When on reserve does one sit at the FBO awaiting an assignment? And about how long would one have to sit reserve before holding a more fixed schedule?

Are both pilots typed in the aircraft that you get? Also, about how long has the switch from right seat to left seat been running?

I've seen it mentioned that the retirement is possibly a bit subpar, from what I've seen the only retirement is the 401k is that correct?

Again thank you in advance for tolerating my ignorance. :0

 

[fischman]

I too am a little naive as to the fractional side so please forgive me in advance.

Is one awarded aircraft type in newhire class based on the "seniority" within that class as to what's available? Or is it just assigned?

What aircraft are the "junior" aircraft and therefore what you'll most likely get?

Is reserve similiar to that of an airline? When on reserve does one sit at the FBO awaiting an assignment? And about how long would one have to sit reserve before holding a more fixed schedule?

Are both pilots typed in the aircraft that you get? Also, about how long has the switch from right seat to left seat been running?

I've seen it mentioned that the retirement is possibly a bit subpar, from what I've seen the only retirement is the 401k is that correct?

Again thank you in advance for tolerating my ignorance. :0

The answers to all your question are on these boards. Use the search function.

 

[Semore Butts]

Wow Bogey

The most civil Netjets post I have ever seen from you?

I hope your management gives you a little infusion of "scratch" to keep up with the "Santoulis"!

If they do I'm sure it won't be because of the IBB!

Don't go off on me man, I aint "hatin".

For the other guy, you come to INDOC knowing what aircraft you are flying.