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Eve was deceived by Satan, referred to as the serpent, to whom the scripture in question is addressed. By divine proclaimation, her partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil meant expulsion from the Garden of Eden, and a separation of the two. Adam, knowing that partaking of the tree also meant expulsion, elected to do so, fully understanding the consequences, in order to fulfill his requirement to be fruitful and multiply with Eve; his companion and helpmeet. Bottom line? He did it to be with her, and to fulfill the commandments of Jehovah.

Eve was disobedient to God. She and Adam were told specifically not to eat of the tree. When satan decieved her, she replied that she was not to eat of it OR touch it, which was not true. This showed satan that she did not fully have her mind on God, if she did she would have understood the command. He used her lack of understanding to exploit her pride. Adam was not decieved, nor was he subject to his wife, for woman was made for the man, not man for the woman, 1 Corr 11:8 & 9. He was disobedient( Romans 5:12).

You're probably right. My four years of seminary and ordination were probably wasted...but then who is to say your own interpretation is correct?

Anyone's interpretation can be incorrect, but the Word of God cannot. When we rely on the literal meaning of the word of God and not our own ideas or the ideas of others, God will reveal accurate truths to us. Among the christians I gather with, if find the preachers that have been to Bible college and seminary have ideas that have been passed to them from other men. But the ones who have immersed themselves in the Word of God and measure what men tell them by the Word of God have far more knowledge and understanding. I know that when I have found myself mistaken on a topic it was because I took someone at their word without comparing it to scripture.
 
Stay wrapped up in the facination that the bible is the be-all and end-all of what there is to know and receive, and you dam up your own progress. It's good information, important to know, but there's more...so much more. Every day. Every mountain top a temple, every forest a hallowed hall, every silent bedroom in the dead of night a cathedral; church is in the heart and in the home, and the real scripture is written between each man and woman and the maker in whom they believe.

2 Peter 2
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in condemnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

If it were preaching, I would have used nudity, and visual aids. And a monkey. If for no other reason, than tradition, and the fact that they're a lot of fun. And loud music. And little pointy paper hats. The ones with the shiny tassles hanging down from the top, like dunce caps but brighter, cheerier. The ones with the little elastic chinstraps that never last more than five minutes on a good day when the wind is at your back.

Galations 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
I have read some very intelligent and compelling posts on this thread. However , I still cannot decide whether to go see this movie .... or not.

That is actually what this thread is about.

My life is no longer measured by longetivity , but by inspiration. Soon , I have a date with infinity.

You see , I have terminal cancer. Two brutal six month courses of chemotherapy have at least got me this far. The cancer has returned for the third time and has now spread to my lung. They offered one more course of chemo and I declined.

I dealt with the fear of dying two years ago after the surgery. At present I am blessed with good health and a wife , family and friends that administer a more soothing cure ... that of love , respect , incredible generousity and support. I am the luckiest guy on earth.

I won't have time to read the bible. I don't know which version to choose.

But the soul of it's content is undeniable and profound. The movie is Mel's take on the event and then charged with passion and inspiration. Good for him.

I to , am inspired. ..... every day .... every moment.

God is in me. I didn't find him in the bible in the drawer by the side of the motel beds upon which I lay in my thirty seven years as an Aviator. I didn't find him in movies either.

But maybe I did listen , in Sunday school , to the cute parables and stories of magic... and serpents . And there was that nice guy , Jesus. Then in a boarding school , where commaradie replaced the lonliness of a non existant family, and where I endured the dailly ritualistic symbolism of dailly mass.

I don't feel cheated out of life. All you have to do is read my Tales of an Old Aviator thread and you will quickly realize that I have packed three lives into one anyway.

I have a lot of friends that pray for me. I hope it makes them feel good. I have so many friends with whom I would love to go to church .... but which one? I would love to go with my Muslim friend but I am not allowed. I loved our times together as he shone with inspiration during our wonderful discussions after flying. And my Jewish friends .... man.. I pick on them and we have lots of laughs. When I flew in New Guiinea I made many inspiring life long friends with the highland natives. They worship different stuff for sure but they love it. And the aboriginees in my home country , Australia ...inspiring. I have been blessed with a life hithertoo unimagined.

Not many people get the chance to plan their short future with so many resources to tap. My short term health affords me the opportunity to prepare myself and hopefully , to enjoy the rewards of forgiveness and my love of ALL people.


HONOUR IS A MAN'S GIFT TO HIMSELF
 
I don't know how I would regard the knowlege of coming to the end of my road. All I can tell you is that I am VERY happy that I accepted the free gift of salvation before the inevitable event happened.

Studying the Bible is a fine idea to strengthen and expand your faith by increasing your knowlege of God. It is not, however, a necessity for salvation.

Attending church is a great way to grow in your knowlege of God while enjoying the company of fellow believers. That isn't a necessity, either.

Here is what I recommend to you as a minimum. You can expand on it later as time and your heart allows.

Start with the prayer: "Lord, I believe that Jesus Christ is your Son, that He died for my sins on the cross and He rose again. I want now to take Him as my personal Savior. Please come and live in me, and bring me the assurance of salvation, I pray in Jesus' name, amen."

As a believer, you can give testimony of your salvation, and show your obedient heart by baptism. Church and Bible study can give you great comfort, but the prayer is the basis of the act of acceptance of the finished work on the cross. That's the bottom line. Watching a movie will make it more poignant, more real, or more shocking, but the reality of the act made by Christ on all our behalf remains unchanged as the greatest gift ever given.


"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)


You can be thankful that you have the opportunity to get right before it is too late. Millions of people run out of time every year, unable to accept the plan of salvation after their death.

If I can be of any help to you, feel free to contact me by a PM.
 
AvBug

Good to see you here, as thoughtful adn concise as ever.

I am going to take my son who is 9 years old. It may take explaining but we watch the operation and other graphic shows. What I want him to see is the pain that Jesus went through for us.

I beleive that you cannot know love unless you understand hate. you cannot understand commitment unless you see the pain that it must sometimes cause.

These kids play vidoe games where they are shooting and disemboweling people all through the game. He needs to see this so he knows what it is really like to suffer. He needs to know what real life happened.
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Duke-- I so enjoyed your writing. While I will not pray that you beat the cancer, I will pray that God holds you just a bit closer as his will comes forth.
 
I tried to see the movie this weekend, however I couldn't get tickets. I was, initially, going to avoid it till it hit video, but a militant athiest friend of mine sent me an email Friday saying ...

"I wasn't going to watch it, but I thought it'd be cool to watch Jesus get f@%%ed up."

Who can argue with logic like that? :eek:

Rev. Minh

:D
 
Just in the past couple of months, I have learned things about people here on flightinfo that I didn't know, now including Avbug and Publishers.

What a blessing.
 
Re: AvBug

Publishers said:
I am going to take my son who is 9 years old. It may take explaining but we watch the operation and other graphic shows. What I want him to see is the pain that Jesus went through for us. ...

These kids play vidoe games where they are shooting and disemboweling people all through the game. He needs to see this so he knows what it is really like to suffer. He needs to know what real life happened.
I'd strongly advise you to see it alone before taking him - - you might change your mind.

It's no video game.
 
saw

We saw the movie over a week ago in a preview. We bought out the theater for a pre opening showing.

I certainly would not say for everyone to take their nine year old son or daughter to this movie. To some extent you have to make a jusdgement on how they will handle things.

There are parents that think I am out of my mind letting my son take flying lessons or watch the operation or trauma in the ER on television. He is very bright and seems to grasp concepts very well.

He has also been through both grandmothers and one grandfather passing away while we went to Hospice for a week.

It is not an easy call, but then not much of life is.
 
Rumor on the street: Passion's commercial success is sure to spark a sequel entitled Passion II: The Return. Just like Star Wars the sequel will be better than the original.

Dude
 
If there were a sequel, it might be a remake of Left Behind where the rapture catches the world off guard.

The third segment would be The Triumphant Return, but no one will be making movies when that happens.
 
Jody Dean wrote this: (She is a Dallas TV anchor).

All...

There've been a ton of emails and forwards floating around recently from those who've had the privilege of seeing Mel Gibson's "The Passion Of The Christ" prior to its actual release. I thought I'd give you my reaction after seeing it last night.

The screening was on the first night of "Elevate!", a weekend-long seminar for young people at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano. There were about 2,000 people there, and the movie was shown after several speakers had taken the podium. It started around 9 and finished around 11...so I reckon the film is about two hours in length. Frankly, I lost complete track of time - so I can't be sure.

I want you to know that I started in broadcasting when I was 13-years-old. I've been in the business of writing, performing, production, and broadcasting for a long time. I've been a part of movies, radio, television, stage and other productions - so I know how things are done. I know about soundtracks and special effects and make-up and screenplays. I think I've seen just about every kind of movie or TV show ever made - from extremely inspirational to extremely gory. I read a lot, too - and have covered stories and scenes that still make me wince. I also have a vivid imagination, and have the ability to picture things as they must have happened - or to anticipate things as they will be portrayed. I've also seen an enormous amount of footage from Gibson's film, so I thought I knew what was coming.

But there is nothing in my existence - nothing I could have read, seen, heard, thought, or known - that could have prepared me for what I saw on screen last night.

This is not a movie that anyone will "like". I don't think it's a movie anyone will "love". It certainly doesn't "entertain". There isn't even the sense that one has just watched a movie. What it is, is an experience - on a level of primary emotion that is scarcely comprehensible. Every shred of human preconception or predisposition is utterly stripped away. No one will eat popcorn during this film. Some may not eat for days after they've seen it. Quite honestly, I wanted to vomit. It hits that hard.

I can see why some people are worried about how the film portrays the Jews. They should be worried. No, it's not anti-Semitic. What it is, is entirely shattering. There are no "winners". No one comes off looking "good" - except Jesus. Even His own mother hesitates. As depicted, the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day merely do what any of us would have done - and still do. They protected their perceived "place" - their sense of safety and security, and the satisfaction of their own "rightness". But everyone falters. Caiphus judges. Peter denies. Judas betrays. Simon the Cyrene balks. Mark runs away. Pilate equivocates. The crowd mocks. The soldiers laugh. Longinus still stabs with his pilus. The centurion still carries out his orders. And as Jesus fixes them all with a glance, they still turn away.

The Jews, the Romans, Jesus' friends - they all fall. Everyone, except the Principal Figure. Heaven sheds a single, mighty tear - and as blood and water spew from His side, the complacency of all creation is eternally shattered.

The film grabs you in the first five seconds, and never lets go. The brutality, humiliation, and gore is almost inconceivable - and still probably doesn't go far enough. The scourging alone seems to never end, and you cringe at the sound and splatter of every blow - no matter how steely your nerves. Even those who have known combat or prison will have trouble, no matter their experience - because this Man was not conscripted. He went willingly, laying down His entirety for all. It is one thing for a soldier to die for his countrymen. It's something else entirely to think of even a common man dying for those who hate and wish to kill him. But this is no common man. This is the King of the Universe. The idea that anyone could or would have gone through such punishment is unthinkable - but this Man was completely innocent, completely holy - and paying the price for others. He screams as He is laid upon the cross, "Father, they don't know. They don't know..."

What Gibson has done is to use all of his considerable skill to portray the most dramatic moment of the most dramatic events since the dawn of time. There is no escape. It's a punch to the gut that puts you on the canvas, and you don't get up. You are simply confronted by the horror of what was done - what had to be done - and why. Throughout the entire film, I found myself apologizing.

What you've heard about how audiences have reacted is true. There was no sound after the film's conclusion. No noise at all. No one got up. No one moved. The only sound one could hear was sobbing. In all my years of public life, I have never heard anything like that.

I told many of you that Gibson had reportedly re-shot the ending to include more "hope" through the Resurrection? That's not true. The Resurrection scene is perhaps the shortest in the entire movie - and yet it packs a punch that can't be quantified. It is perfect. There is no way to negotiate the meaning out of it. It simply asks, "Now, what will you do?"

I'll leave the details to you, in the hope that you will see the film - but one thing above all stands out, and I have to tell you about it. It comes from the end of Jesus' temptations in the wilderness - where the Bible says Satan left him "until a more opportune time". I imagine Satan never quit tempting Christ, but this film captures beyond words the most opportune time. At every step of the way, Satan is there at Jesus' side - imploring Him to quit, reasoning with Him to give up, and seducing Him to surrender. For the first time, one gets an heart-stopping idea of the sense of madness that must have enveloped Jesus - a sense of the evil that was at His very elbow. The physical punishment is relentless - but it's the sense of psychological torture that is most overwhelming. He should have quit. He should have opened His mouth. He should have called 10,000 angels. No one would have blamed Him. What we deserve is obvious. But He couldn't do that. He wouldn't do that. He didn't do that. He doesn't do that. It was not and is not His character. He was obedient, all the way to the cross - and you feel the real meaning of that phrase in a place the human heart usually doesn't dare to go. You understand that we are called to that same level of obedience. With Jesus' humanity so irresistibly on display, you understand that we have no excuse. There is no place to hide.

The truth is this: Is it just a "movie"? In a way, yes. But it goes far beyond that, in a fashion I've never felt - in any forum. We may think we "know". We know nothing. We've gone 2,000 years - used to the idea of a pleasant story, and a sanitized Christ. We expect the end ing, because we've heard it so many times. God forgive us. This film tears that all away. It's is as close as any of us will ever get to knowing, until we fully know. Paul understood. "Be urgent, in and out of season."

Luke wrote that Jesus reveals Himself in the breaking of the bread. Exactly. "The Passion Of The Christ" shows that Bread being broken.

Go see this movie. Jody
 
After being in Germany for a month I couldn't wait to get home to see the film. I grabbed my wife and we went and saw the late, late, movie. I was amazed that at 2230L on a school night that the theatre was 80% packed, and that was only a couple of days ago.
The amazing feelings that I had was basically cheering Jesus on. He is and was our only hope for the human race for salvation, there was no other. If Jesus hadn't made that obediant, walk and sacrificed his life, where would we all be right now. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Him. Yes my sin helped put the nails in his hands and put him on that cross, but because of the cross Praise Jesus in God'
s eyes I have no sin.:D
 
He is and was our only hope for the human race for salvation
If that's true ... I'm essentially $@#$ed. :(

Minh
(Hi Captain G! :D )
 
I am convinced and convicted that what I quoted is right, so I guess you are #$#%$^&*. But you can change that.....Captain G.
 
Well, I actually saw the movie. No surprises. The movie depicts quite clearly that Pilate had no quarrel with Jesus and that he went ahead with the crucifiction to appease the Pharisee Jews. I don't view it as antisemitic but merely as Mel's version of history. People will believe what they want to believe.

Oh, and what was with the earthquake at the moment Jesus died? I don't recall hearing of the Temple splitting open. (Of course the Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 C.E.)

Dude
 
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Just saw it again with my daughter when I wasn't jet lagged out. It had more impact the second time around. And yes there was a great earthquake at the time of Jesus's death, and the temple curtain was split from top to bottom. I don't think it happened because of the earthquake, it represented the price being paid, and because of that we can go into the holiest of holies.
 

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