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Pickle said:
Most of the Air Tran people on here have said that they can't wait for the takeover so they can upgrade to the left seat and that it is not a merger so the ATA group should be happy to get the preferential interviews being suggested.
I just talked to a 717 F/O friend of mine. We both said that this really stinks for the ATA guys. He was former TWA, and I was former US Airways, and we both are very grateful to have jobs. We are also both VERY sympathetic to the uncertainty of your situation. I've also made it a point to tell every AirTran employee I know that I have lots of respect for ATA pilots...you are really a bunch of good guys.

This INDUSTRY is crazy. Maybe I'll win the next powerball. The odds of winning that seem better than the odds of not getting furloughed!
 
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I worked for the orginal Midway Airlines from 1986 to 1991 and went through this same roller coaster ride in the early 90's that ATA is going through right now. It sucks the big one to say the least and in the end Management was only in it to save there own ass! I held out with the hope that someone would relaize Midway Airlines assets that we had and would buy the airline in one piece possibly saving me some type of senority etc. I delayed sending out resumes and applications. In the end our assets or lack there of were alot cheaper to obtain when we were liquidated. I am only going by experiance and unfortuneatly ATA seems to be heading down the same road at the same airport with multiple bidders as the orginal Midway Airlines did. I wish the ATA guys and gals the best for sure but if I can give you any advice from my past is to "NOT" wait until suddenly the rug is pulled out from under your feet. I know the industry is in the toilet right now but I wouldnt wait a minute longer than I had to, to start getting your resumes/applications out. I would start the rebuilding process right now and network with any prior airline friends you have. If there is a merger type arangement that would be great for all concerned. If all else fails and your current job is lost you will have a head start on your competition. If you get offered a job elsewhere in the interm, then thats when you have to make the decision. I was out of flying for 6 months and worked various dead end jobs until I got back into the cockpit. Not bad but it could have been better if I was more aggresive before the lights where turned off and I was standing there with no income, a house, 2 kids and a wife!
 
Pickle said:
Fargin Dooshbahg, the frag clause IS worth plenty, even though we are in CH.11. It becomes worthless if the judge deems it so. That has not happened yet, therefore it is still valid.
Just in case you didn't know what happened to the TWA pilots' successorship clauses, we were told to eliminate it otherwise the judge would abdicate our entire contract. Thus we made the decision we were coerced into doing and eliminated the clauses. Subsequently certain AA pilots liked to say that those TWA guys did it to ensure the sale went through. To the victors go the spoils...

I have very little influence being a probationary pilot at AWA but I have spoken out and shall continue speaking to my colleagues to put away their staple guns. I sense it'll be an uphill battle. Merger, acquisition, career expectations; thems are fighting words that have been used against me that I shan't use against anybody else. Again, good luck guys.
 
TWA Dude said:
I have spoken out and shall continue speaking to my colleagues to put away their staple guns.
That's very kind and understanding of you, probably because you've already had to live the nightmare yourself. The others, well, I hope they can be persuaded of the value of cohesiveness and unity. It wasn't too long ago that the AWA pilots were walking around in contract negotiations saying "ATA or NO WAY!" Perhaps having some of us on the property wouldn't be such a terrible thing.

I am actually not that concerned about the outcome of a deal with AWA, I think in the long run it will work out OK. The Airtran deal, on the other hand, is a bloodbath. And the resulting shell of a company that will be left is of questionable economic value.
 
Expect!?

mt2 said:
OK, I'll be man enough to admit I expect more than a staple job with an AWA deal. Hey, they're talking about a no cash deal here.
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While I can "understand" your position it still does not make it right. Yes it's true, if there is an AWA/ATA deal, you'll most likely get more than a staple job. But to say that you expect it is a whole different matter. It may be a no cash offer but don't forget sir your company is failing. This is not a merger during good times. If you were homeless and someone took you in would you live in the house like it was yours all along? Or would show some respect and treat the host family and their home as though it was a great blessing to you. You are NOT owed anything. Nor are we. But an attitude like that will piss a lot of people off.
 
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[ It may be a no cash offer but don't forget sir your company is failing. This is not a merger during good times. If you were homeless and someone took you in would you live in the house like it was yours all along? Or would show some respect and treat the host family and their home as though it was a great blessing to you. You are NOT owed anything. Nor are we. But an attitude like that will piss a lot of people off.[/QUOTE]

Good analogy.
 
jettypeguy said:
I would rather be stapled to the bottom at a AWA than have to interview for a position at C8....
Nice....too good to fly a Saab? I could just see your attitude if you did stoop low enough....."I have 8000 hours......I have so much experience". C8 is better off without people like that.
 
Once upon a time

Once upon a time there was a part of the De-Reg act that stated if any existing airline in 1978 failed due to De-Reg and the airplanes were acquired by another company the pilot would be protected. The pilots would flow to the new owner with the airplane. EAL failed in 1991, the airplanes went to AAL and NWA (I believe) but the unions at both airlines took it to court to ensure the pilots did not flow with the airplanes. Correct me if I am wrong, it has been awhile.
 
capt. megadeth said:
Nice....too good to fly a Saab? I could just see your attitude if you did stoop low enough....."I have 8000 hours......I have so much experience". C8 is better off without people like that.
no dumbass, maybe if you read the thread and understood what we are talking about, which is either an Airtran Deal which includes preferential interviews at C8 as they acquire regional jets, or a possible buy-out by AWA with staple to their pilot list. Just stating I would perfer the AWA deal...go back to hanger 18 and bang your head some more.....
 
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Why don't YOU learn how to spell.....dumbass. I was in Hangar 18 last night banging my head. :)


jettypeguy said:
no dumass, maybe if you read the thread and understood what we are talking about, which is either an Airtran Deal which includes preferential interviews at C8 as they acquire regional jets, or a possible buy-out by AWA with staple to their pilot list. Just stating I would perfer the AWA deal...go back to hanger 18 and bang your head some more.....
 
If I could hijack the arguing and flaming back to the original topic (note heavy sarcasm: let's stop chewing on each other!) I got an email from the MEC that said part of the 'final' offer from Airtran included preferential interviews, yet no one has been discussing it. Did anyone else hear that? Whaddya think?
 
HarleyGuy,
From what I read, there are 2 different preferential interviews being offered. 1 from Airtran included in the deal with them. The 2nd from ATA (via C8) for the new positions created as a result of the new RJ's they will recieve as part of the "new ATA" plan. I would assume the Airtran Interviews would help with the first 100-200 guys furloughed as they would get the first shot if they wish to go there since they will be furloughed beginning in Jan.
 
According to what we were given, the only preferential interviews to Airtran are for guys that actually live in Chicago. Its a Daily thing. The rest of us are own our own. No big deal though, if a company wants me they will hire me, Its as simple as that. However on the other hand the C8 deal is bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, it is our own feeder that ATA Holdings owns, and they can't even give us a first shot at an FO seat in a SAAB or RJ. Now thats just sticking it to us as a pilot group by George.

Feeling NO LOVE
 
I would like to remind those of you who are hoping for the ATA/AWA deal over the ATA/AirTran deal that AirTran was the only company after September 11 to take voluntary pay cuts so that no pilot, including the new hires that had started on September 10, would be furloughed. Wouldn't you prefer being a part of a pilot group with that kind of loyalty?

I know that ATA's future is uncertain and no one wants to start at the bottom of a seniority list again, but our projected hiring for the next five years is roughly 1,000 pilots.

Good luck ATA. I have a few friends over there.

Fletch
 
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ARTICLE X

EMPLOYEE MATTERS

Without undertaking any obligation to hire any employee or group of employees of Sellers, to the extent practical and consistent with its hiring needs and standards, AirTran agrees to undertake good faith efforts to employ individual qualified existing employees of Sellers resident in Chicago as new employees of AirTran. In furtherance of and subject to the foregoing, AirTran (i) presently expects that at such time as all of its services and flight schedules from the Midway Gates are operated with its own aircraft the number of full and part-time jobs required to perform the airside and landside operations at the Midway Gates will be substantially the same as the number of such jobs in place as of the Execution Date, subject to normal seasonal adjustment; (ii) intends to make good faith efforts to itself, or through third party vendors, provide preferential hiring consideration for such jobs to current, active individual employees of Seller, resident in Chicago, presently working in such positions at Midway; (iii) expects that it will, and will endeavor to require any third party vendors to, make job applications and/or interviews available to current, active employees of Seller and conduct or cause to be conducted job fairs or other similar opportunities for applications to be made for such available positions; (iv) believes that the current work experience of such active employees of Seller will be an important consideration in evaluating all such employees; and (v) currently intends also to give preferential hiring consideration on the same basis set out above to current, actively employed Midway based mechanics, flight and in-flight personnel, resident in Chicago, for Chicago based mechanic, flight and in-flight positions. It is contemplated that, with respect to all such positions set out in the preceding sentences, preferential hiring consideration will continue for a period of one-year after the Execution Date.
Strange to include a requirement for residence in Chiacgo as a condition of possible employment.
 
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