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Thought you guys would be interested in this...
From detfreep.com: (Detroit "FREE PRESS" alternative paper, 4 hrs ago...the only one I saw carry this)


"Leaders of the pilots union at Northwest Airlines recommended expedited arbitration Tuesday as a way to resolve the dispute over seniority that's holding back a possible merger between Northwest and Delta Air Lines.
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In a letter to all Northwest pilots, three top officers of Northwest's pilots union wrote, "If management feels the time is now for consolidation, they would be wise to encourage both pilot groups to accept expedited arbitration. While not perfect, with the right economic incentive, this approach could get the job done in time for the merged entity to reap the benefits of the efficiencies much earlier than with two frustrated pilot groups engaged in a traditional merger."
After weeks of talks, Northwest and Delta pilots haven't been able to agree on how to merge their seniority lists and negotiations have stalled. To prevent future labor unrest and gain maximum benefits from a merger, management at both carriers had sought a combined pilot seniority list in order for any deal to proceed.
For pilots, seniority determines almost everything, from their pay and work schedules to who gets furloughed during tough times, so they are extremely reluctant to do anything to jeopardize it.
Besides arbitration, the letter suggested that management at both airlines could encourage both pilot groups to resume talks with realistic business plans. It also warned pilots that the airlines, under pressure from their hedge fund investors, may decide to do a deal without a combined pilot seniority list.
According to the letter, Northwest and Delta pilots had agreed to create a new seniority ranking for the combined carrier by using a slotted list. The slots would be allocated by a ratio for each pilot group. However, the Northwest pilots felt the ratio proposed by the Delta pilots "was too favorable to them," the letter states.
"The fundamental issue was the ratio or ratios to be used to combine the lists," the letter explains. "Complicating this issue was the disparate standalone business plans at the two carriers, the greater amount of premium wide-body flying at NWA and the older ages of NWA pilots."
Northwest said Tuesday it had no comment about the letter, which was released a day after Delta's pilots union had announced that the seniority integration talks had proven unsuccessful. Delta also declined to comment.
Separately, Northwest said Tuesday it probably will reduce U.S. passenger capacity again when it unveils a new flight schedule in August or September.
Also, Delta, faced with a weak economy, dimmer hopes of a combination with Northwest and record fuel prices that are eating up profits, said Tuesday it will offer voluntary severance buyouts to roughly 30,000 employees -- more than half its workforce -- and cut U.S. capacity by an extra 5%.
Executives at Delta said in a memo to employees that the airline's goal is to cut 2,000 frontline, administrative and management jobs through the severance program, attrition and other initiatives.
Contact KATHERINE YUNG at 313-222-8763 or [email protected]. The Associated Press and Bloomberg News contributed to this report."


 
Just be careful what you wish for: Mississippi Valley v. Air Wisc. and the ever-popular AWA v. USAir. :eek: TC
 
Reality Check

No way....NWA wants it to go to arbitration? Do they have any experience with that?

I believe (and NW guys correct me if I'm wrong) when they talked waiting for the company to present a "realistic business plan," their experience is telling them that the airline execs are not being forthright in some aspect (s) of what ELSE is really going to happen if they DO "merge," which is quite understandable.

Why would they agree to a plan that would give DL ANY advantage, when it seems that the execs plan ALL ALONG is to start laying off employees.

If I were at NW, I would be considering the fact that NW CAN "stand alone" (according to the financials), and DL is in dire straits (according to the financials). What on earth could possibly be advantageous to ANY NW airline employee?

Barron's has already had an article yesterday discussing that likelihood this was all a big show for the BOD and stock price (when the announcements came) and they KNEW it wouldn't happen.

Think about THIS: There's a merger of 2 companies, everything has duplicates, how can that HELP an airline cut costs? The ONLY WAY to do that is to get rid of a slew of people...the ONLY way. If I were at NW, I'd say "Let it be DL...alone."

It's not difficult to understand. DL wants to play a game of chicken, with their financial situation, they'll lose the "go it alone plan" for sure.

My $$ is on NW in a no merge situation.
 
Nobody says they want arbitration unless they expect to benefit from it. Like TC warned, those expectations aren't always met.
 
The story NOT being told is that MOST NWA LEC's were told by their membership NOT to let this deal go away. And they did. For now at least.

The ratio thing is a big deal. Putting 2000 DL dudes at the bottom of a combined list when the NW guys are getting a 30+% pay bump, more wide bodies etc...is not equitable, period.

And WTF is this horse********************??? "Complicating this issue was the disparate standalone business plans at the two carriers, the greater amount of premium wide-body flying at NWA and the older ages of NWA pilots."

Clearly someone at the NW MEC put this story out there for positioning. Since, aside from Asia, DL has FAR FAR FAR more widebodies and international.
 
the greater amount of premium wide-body flying at NWA and the older ages of NWA pilots."


IF the NWA mec wants more seniority on the possiblity of older NWA pilots retiring....I say let's give it to them...BUT....REQUIRE every NWA pilot with a frozen pension to be shown the door at age 60. For every NWA guy that doesn't retire at age 60 every DAL guy goes up one seniority number. Or how about if a NWA guy with a pension chooses to stay beyond 60 then his longevity for pay stays the same but he goes to the BOTTOM of the seniority list. Why should ANY Dal guy take a seniority hit to keep an NWA guy in the left seat for an additional 5 years, give him a pay raise, equity, better work rules AND let him keep his pension???
 
IThink about THIS: There's a merger of 2 companies, everything has duplicates, how can that HELP an airline cut costs? The ONLY WAY to do that is to get rid of a slew of people...the ONLY way. If I were at NW, I'd say "Let it be DL...alone."

If you focus on costs only then yeah, the easiest way is to cut people which it looks like they are going to do if they stand alone. You would increase the economies of scale and be able to spread fixed costs over a larger area so that would decrease costs some and your purchasing power with vendors would be greater so you might save some there also. You would also have one less management team with all their back support which is a huge savings. The big picture here was the revenue side of the deal. A merged carrier would improve the revenue side of the business which is what all of us pilots should want. One less airline would increase pricing power and allow fares to rise. I think we all know that this merged carrier would have continued forward with significant international growth which would have increased revenue and resulted in a need for lots more pilots. I still think the only solution for our issues with high oil is consolodation. It may now happen when some carriers go back into bankruptcy and start selling off pieces.
 
I did and I did, thank you. Publication and publicized are different animals. The story was fed to this reporter by someone, is all I was saying.

Picked up in wide distribution? No. Published? Yes.

The "Delta version" was from Moak's letter. I think we are saying the same thing here, actually.

I've dealt with a great deal of PR in my former life, this is classic back door leaking of info.
 
I've dealt with a great deal of PR in my former life, this is classic back door leaking of info.

Yes, it takes great "PR background" to know how press leaks work... :rolleyes:
So, by your own recognizance, Delta, then, used the front door obvious crybaby approach?
 

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