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October 8, 2010

Dear Fellow Pilots:

We are taking this opportunity to formally introduce ourselves to you. We are Captains and First Officers, past members and volunteers of ALPA and other labor organizations, veterans and reservists, and pilots who have never been union members. We are JetBlue pilots who believe in our company and are fully committed to its success. We are the JetBlue ALPA Organizing Committee (JAOC)—more than 245 JetBlue pilots with diverse backgrounds and experience but committed to one goal: the long-term success of JetBlue Airways and its pilot group through ALPA representation.

We started as a small group of JetBlue pilots wanting to improve our careers while building on the strengths of JetBlue. Spring-boarding off a lot of hard work by committed colleagues whose prior efforts fell short of their goal, we were determined to find a way to have more meaningful input into our future. We decided to reach out to ALPA to better understand the pros and cons of representation. Now, after meeting with ALPA’s leaders, pilots, and staff for more than a year and growing the JAOC to the largest organizing committee in ALPA history, we believe ALPA representation is not only the best choice but the only choice for JetBlue pilots and our families.

Over the past month, the JAOC has interacted with nearly all JetBlue pilots. To those of you who have shown your enthusiastic support thus far, we thank you. To those of you who have been less than enthusiastic and have shared your concerns, we thank you as well. As we move forward, the JAOC continues to be interested in all JetBlue pilots’ concerns, thoughts, opinions, and ideas about current and future representation. Please continue to let us know how you feel.

During our conversations with you over the past month, we have heard you loud and clear. JetBlue pilots overwhelmingly believe we need a stronger voice, greater resources, and a legally binding contract in order to protect and enhance our professional future and our families’ long-term security and interests. The majority of JetBlue pilots also understand the value of ALPA representation while balancing the needs of JetBlue to ensure the long-term success and viability of our company.

We have progressed to the point where it’s time to begin to provide you with information you will need to make an informed decision. Over the coming weeks, we want to talk to you about what we have learned and why we are taking this step. We have also invited ALPA pilot leaders, volunteers, and professional staff to answer the questions you have about ALPA’s work today and in the past and, most importantly, where it sees the Association, profession, and industry going forward.

We hope you’ll participate no matter what your views are about representation, because this is a decision about our future. A schedule of meeting dates and locations is set out below:

BOS October 18 6pm – 9pm Hampton Inn – Logan Airport
JFK October 20 6pm – 9pm Doubletree JFK
JFK October 21 7pm – 10pm Austin’s Steak House
FLL October 25 6pm – 9pm Marriott Courtyard
MCO October 26 6pm – 9pm Holiday Inn MCO
LGB October 28 6pm – 9pm Marriott LGB
(individual city visits to come next)

We thank each of you for your continued interest and support of this effort. A lot of work is ahead of us, and we hope that you will play a part in shaping the future of the JetBlue pilot group. If you are interested in becoming a member of the JAOC or would like to volunteer to support our efforts, please contact any one of us on the JAOC.

Ultimately the choice of representation will be up to all of us. Until that time comes, here is the JAOC commitment: Your JetBlue ALPA Organizing Committee will continue to support our company as much as we support JetBlue pilots working together with a strong, unified voice to better influence and control our future. It’s time to contribute to the future of our profession. It’s time to make JetBlue stronger—which means it’s time for ALPA.
 
At the same time, Delta pilots start to work on their own drive to ditch ALPA...


For those of us tired of the pandering of ALPA and the mis-direction of the DALPA "top-down" structure: There is an alternative! The time for change is now, the time for internal representation is now, the time for Delta Pilots representing themselves and putting thier interests first is NOW. 100% of Delta Pilots dues money +/- $27,000,000 per year staying in house is NOW...to be put to work for the Delta Pilots and Mainline Interest's is NOW.

Educate yourselves, tone out the naysayers, make a decision and stand up for what is right: Delta Pilots, flying ALL Delta's passengers and an Association representing WITHOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Delta Pilots!!!

For more information:

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www.DeltaPilotsAssociation.org
 
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Time will tell, personally I doubt they'll leave ALPA!
 
At the same time, Delta pilots start to work on their own drive to ditch ALPA...


For those of us tired of the pandering of ALPA and the mis-direction of the DALPA "top-down" structure: There is an alternative! The time for change is now, the time for internal representation is now, the time for Delta Pilots representing themselves and putting thier interests first is NOW. 100% of Delta Pilots dues money +/- $27,000,000 per year staying in house is NOW...to be put to work for the Delta Pilots and Mainline Interest's is NOW.

Educate yourselves, tone out the naysayers, make a decision and stand up for what is right: Delta Pilots, flying ALL Delta's passengers and an Association representing WITHOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Delta Pilots!!!

For more information:

HTML Code:
www.DeltaPilotsAssociation.org

Up to 65 followers.

Yep it is a tidal wave...
 
At the same time, Delta pilots start to work on their own drive to ditch ALPA...


For those of us tired of the pandering of ALPA and the mis-direction of the DALPA "top-down" structure: There is an alternative! The time for change is now, the time for internal representation is now, the time for Delta Pilots representing themselves and putting thier interests first is NOW. 100% of Delta Pilots dues money +/- $27,000,000 per year staying in house is NOW...to be put to work for the Delta Pilots and Mainline Interest's is NOW.

Educate yourselves, tone out the naysayers, make a decision and stand up for what is right: Delta Pilots, flying ALL Delta's passengers and an Association representing WITHOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Delta Pilots!!!

For more information:
HTML Code:
www.DeltaPilotsAssociation.org

Oh Blue Bayou. This is a group of 70 pilots out of almost 10000 at Delta. Some homework for you. Research what this is about then check back in.

Blue Bayou. Explain to all of us how Seniority lists, trip rigs, duty rigs, rest, safety, vacation, pay protection, LTD medical, etc came about. I will help you out? ALPA. You enjoy those currently? I will answer for you. YES.

Amazing that all the union bashers still keep their recall rights. Hmmm first of all ALPA got them recall in a contract(pre-union days back(1930s) in the day there was no recall) and then they bitch about this and that. If it is so bad and one hates the union so much give up the recall. How many BOBs have recall? A little hypocritical to keep recall rights if they are so anti-union.................
 
At the same time, Delta pilots start to work on their own drive to ditch ALPA...


For those of us tired of the pandering of ALPA and the mis-direction of the DALPA "top-down" structure: There is an alternative! The time for change is now, the time for internal representation is now, the time for Delta Pilots representing themselves and putting thier interests first is NOW. 100% of Delta Pilots dues money +/- $27,000,000 per year staying in house is NOW...to be put to work for the Delta Pilots and Mainline Interest's is NOW.

Educate yourselves, tone out the naysayers, make a decision and stand up for what is right: Delta Pilots, flying ALL Delta's passengers and an Association representing WITHOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST: Delta Pilots!!!

For more information:

HTML Code:
www.DeltaPilotsAssociation.org
Well, Proportionally this dump ALPA movement at Delta is much smaller than the BOBS at Jetblue - and they dont have the benefit of being funded by the company like you guys were.
 
great, now you can look forward to 50% of your flying going to a contract carrier.

As is what would prevent that from happening now?

I noticed you flew the Dash 8? 50 seater jets are done in this new aviation world. 100 seaters are established in mainline fleets. Props will flown by feeders. Back to the way it was prior to mid 1990's
 
October 8, 2010

We decided to reach out to ALPA to better understand the pros and cons of representation.


Please enlighten me with the "cons" that ALPA shared with you? Did it include any of the following:

1. Your dues will be gladly taken to further support our bloated overhead.

2. Your dues will be sued to compete with other pilot groups interested in taking your job

3. We promise to support whatever is in the best interest of the faction within ALPA that generates the most money (except when it comes to scope when we will take the opposite approach)

I am sure there are thousands of other reasons but from the many Jet Blue pilots I know this will never get anywhere. The only group within JetBlue that will buy into this are the ACA guys - they all came in with a chip on thier shoulders. Obviously the smart vote here is anything buy ALPA. An in-house union is a much better alternative.
 

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