The Flight Options Army

[RNObased]

NJW,
Stand by your post all you want, I read the whole thread yet again and don't think they were coming after you personally. If you see it as personal then fine, continue to think that way, nothing anyone says can change that.

The only threads I have ever seen disappear from this forum were when the server crashed, and they went had to recreated the forum from a back up, that was several days old. Not a conspiracy a computer problem.

As for the theater, I sit close enough to see the players and wonder at their antics. Maybe you need to back away from the stage a little.

 

[Diesel]

More facts--Diesel and I are supporting opposite sides in the upcoming MEC election. The slate he supports spoke out in favor of the bylaws. The side I support has members who were voicing opposition-- For example, the fact that the dues increase was part of the bylaws document instead of being listed, and voted on, separately. I think discerning readers can see the connection.

Listen you don't know anything about me. You don't know who I'm supporting and if you think this is political...... it isn't. Its about rules and regulations that we put in place after the last elections.

If you were motivated by fairness you wouldn't keep running to the IBT to have me censored. (when i've done nothing wrong to which the IBT has agreed) Yeah yeah yeah, some big conspiracy that they are letting me off the hook. Whatever.

I really don't care anymore. I could slam NJW but I'm not going to. I'm going to take the high road. I've done my share of good on this board and I will not get dragged into a mud slinging contest with the MEC election. I'm not even running, neither is NJW her husband is.

To the rest of flightinfo- I'm sorry that our politics have been dragged into this board. Obviously there is something much bigger than myself going on here. For some unknown reason I've been in the crosshairs.

Good luck to those that want to keep making an issue out of me. You're lucky i don't give a crap.

Diesel

 

[C680]

Clintonisms

Yeah yeah yeah, some big conspiracy that they are letting me off the hook. Whatever.

Are we quite sure she is not part of the Clinton war room?

 

[acaTerry]

NJAOwner,
Haven't seen you in here for a while...good to see you back.

FLOPS pilots,
Division is a killer...you guys really, really need cohesion. I seem to run into two well-defined groups in the FBOs. Many of you seem to be ready to fight, but a suprising number of the pilots I run into (and I seem to get the inmpression that FLOPs is their first "real" flying job) seem to blame us NJA pilots for the union push...as if you guys having representattion is a bad thing.
Educate these guys that a management promise is 90% lip service unless there is something legal to force it to happen.
Hang in there guys.

 

[netjetwife]

....The only threads I have ever seen disappear from this forum were when the server crashed, and they went had to recreated the forum from a back up, that was several days old. Not a conspiracy a computer problem....

I remember that time threads disappeared, as well. That was totally different. In this case, it was only two posts, mine and the one I responded to. This thread is obviously still here... albeit, minus two posts. The computer system worked fine. Search function, PMs, and emailed notices of posts to those who subscribe to the thread all functioned as designed. I'm now even more appreciative of those features than I was before.

Diesel you're not suggesting that you're supporting the same side I do, surely? Are you saying I called that wrong? It must be noted that you see nothing wrong with publicly "warning" me against sharing less sensitive info than many others shared, while at the same time you announce that my husband is running for MEC. Talk about a double standard!

I said I support the other side. I could have easily announced my husband was running if I had chosen to. Isn't that rather more private than discussing voter turn out in an election that didn't generate much excitement to begin with? I don't think there was ever any doubt that you and I aren't running, Diesel. So that unnecessary remark was rather low for the high road...as was the total disregard for my private life and that of the NJ pilot that I'm married to. Had we wanted that posted here I would have made the announcement myself. That was a deliberate decision on your part. Very hypocritical for one who claims that none of this is political....

Those taking the high road don't stoop to low comments like-- "I could slam NJW but I'm not going to. I'm going to take the high road". Remarks like that are designed to cast aspersion upon a person's character, and cause speculation, all the while disingenuously claiming to be above that behavior... You surely aren't expecting thanks, are you?

I do agree that something larger is going on--hence, two deleted posts which were critical of the bylaws shortly before the election, and unnecessary admonitions to me about respecting private information made by someone who has announced that I'm married to one of the pilots running for MEC --quite clearly on the slate that Diesel does not support.... As for dragging politics into this board. Deleting posts critical of the NJ bylaws vote very effectively did that without any assistance from me or the other pilot whose post was also pulled.

I'm not announcing that I'll be taking the high road because I never left it... NJW

 

[netjetwife]

...FLOPS pilots, Educate these guys that a management promise is 90% lip service unless there is something legal to force it to happen. Hang in there guys.

I agree with acaTerry, lip service from management seems to be unfortunately common in the industry. That being the case, it makes sense to muster all the clout you can when talking to them. Certainly having a union increases your chance of getting your message across because they legally are forced to work with you then. I'd also like to echo Terry's encouragement--Hang in there! You have much to gain and little to lose. Should you start to feel as though your progress is slow, just remind yourself where you were this time last year and dig in your heels ...
Best Wishes!
Netjetwife

 

[Diesel]

Just because they are out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.

PS All information I referenced regards to who was running was taken from public internet websites.

D

 

[netjetwife]

But you didn't stop there, did you?

.... All information I referenced regards to who was running was taken from public internet websites. ..

The direct link you understood was based on your prior knowledge of who Netjetwife is. The outside/average reader here doesn't have that inside knowledge so they would have viewed that public website without making the connection that you just explained to them. You did not list the names of pilots running for NJ MEC--that was the public information. You decided to announce a private connection that I had obviously chosen not to reveal on this board. Nor had the slate listed my name on their website as Netjetwife. Had my husband wanted the connection made he would have proclaimed it himself.....

 

[Diesel]

Nope I just made a guess. You're the one who confirmed it.

Thanks for playing.... Next

PS i'm done with this thread.

 

[RNObased]

The direct link you understood was based on your prior knowledge of who Netjetwife is. The outside/average reader here doesn't have that inside knowledge so they would have viewed that public website without making the connection that you just explained to them. You did not list the names of pilots running for NJ MEC--that was the public information. You decided to announce a private connection that I had obviously chosen not to reveal on this board. Nor had the slate listed my name on their website as Netjetwife. Had my husband wanted the connection made he would have proclaimed it himself.....

You know NJW, you love to type or something. Ok, Diesel is bad, very bad, we get it, and probably needs a spanking, I'm sure his wife would agree.

I will punish him also, by making him buy the the first two rounds next time I see him, is that good enough for you??? Or would you prefer a public flogging?? God, let it go!!! You are the one person that is worked up about this, everyone else has let it go.

You are the one person on this site that I'm thinking about blocking so I don't have to read what you write.

Also the more you type the more the other slate looks good to me. That would cut off some of your info and take you a little further from the stage you love to talk about. Don't bother responding, I won't be reading this thread anymore.

 

[choppengruven]

I invite any Flops owner here to PM me and I will be glad to fill them in on what is really happening at this company and their investments. I am a union volunteer and have plenty of information to educate you on what this company is doing to take advantage of your investments to fatten their own pockets.

 

[jetwash]

I would like to wish all the Flight Options Pilots a very "SAFE" Thanksgiving this year. Lets make sure that the aircraft are all 100% safe before we take our passengers to their destinations during the Thanksgiving travel period.

After all our CEO keeps saying in his weekly messages that safety is the most important thing.

So I encourage all the pilots to be really "SAFE" and not to think about the newly announced reduction in health benefits, reduction in the quality of hotels, forced vacations, reduced crew meals, and the lowest wages in the fractional industry and the 5:00 am crew rot at the FBO's.

Lets make Thanksgiving so safe that management will be left speechless.

Remember to keep everything safe and legal !!!!!


If you see a Flight Options pilot at an FBO wish them a safe Thanksgiving weekend.

 

[netjetwife]

Nope I just made a guess. You're the one who confirmed it. ...i'm done with this thread.

Point of order...It wasn't a guess; it was stated as a fact and you didn't use common qualifiers...like ..I guess, or... I think, or... I bet...or... perhaps. You said---"I'm not even running, neither is NJW her husband is". (Now that the cat's out of the bag, I urge the NJ pilots to remember--he's running-- if any of you should take exception to my habit of vigorously defending my position... On the other hand, the pilots might be interested to hear that my husband, likewise, believes in holding his own in a contentious discussion, even while looking for common ground.)
Next point...

To suggest that you were "guessing" when you and I know one another's identity, is a bit of a stretch... I'm not surprised that you'd like to drop it now.... I dare say we've all found ourselves in that position one time or another. That's what makes sayings like "Look before you leap" so wise, and why many of us have found we learned a lesson "the hard way."

Regardless of which slate we each support, Diesel, I wish you and your family all the best in your personal time of transition. That is an area of common ground we share and to my way of thinking the notes we exchanged on that subject are totally separate to what we have posted here.


To whom it may concern (and RNO, just in case he peeked at the thread... ) I will fully support (with no hard feelings) anyone's decision to put me on their ignore list if they don't wish to read my posts. I think personal insults detract from a constructive dialog about the issues, and that is, after all, the purpose of this forum. At least it is for me. I look forward to discussing the issues, the track record of the candidates, and the direction the NJ pilots wish their MEC to lead them.
L/NJW

 

[Guitar rocker]

Just because they are out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.

PS All information I referenced regards to who was running was taken from public internet websites.

D

Gee Diesel, seems like you have taken somewhat of a hit on this thread. Your not giving up that easily, are yah?

 

[Mr. Magoo]

Yo Propwash, By "safe" Thanksgiving do you mean don't fly a broke airplane?

 

[netjetwife]

I would like to wish all the Flight Options Pilots a very "SAFE" Thanksgiving this year. Lets make sure that the aircraft are all 100% safe before we take our passengers to their destinations during the Thanksgiving travel period. After all our CEO keeps saying in his weekly messages that safety is the most important thing.

Jetwash, I think that is very sage (sorry I couldn't resist) and timely advice as the days grow shorter and winter approaches. Not only are the pilots heading into a busy time of year, but they often face bad weather, as well. That can make for a dangerous combination if a crew is too rushed to make safe, sound, decisions.

So I encourage all the pilots to be really "SAFE" and not to think about the newly announced reduction in health benefits, reduction in the quality of hotels, forced vacations, reduced crew meals, and the lowest wages in the fractional industry and the 5:00 am crew rot at the FBO's.

With that list of stressful working conditions I urge your group to pay close attention to their health. We've all heard that stress is a silent killer, so it is not surprising that it is responsible for a whole host of lesser illnesses, like head aches, back aches, etc, as well as stomach upsets and fatigue. In turn, those problems take a toll on over all health and leave one vulnerable to germs floating around. You guys could be in for a rough winter! Look out for one another.

Lets make Thanksgiving so safe that management will be left speechless. Remember to keep everything safe and legal !!!!! If you see a Flight Options pilot at an FBO wish them a safe Thanksgiving weekend.

During the hustle and bustle it's easy to get caught up in the hectic atmosphere. That is to be expected for the pax, and it even happens to management sometimes, but the professionals responsible for the holiday crowd must operate on a different level. Now is the perfect time for Jetwash's reminder. Good Luck to all of you! NJW

 

[Mr. Magoo]

Luck won't help.

 

[netjetwife]

Mr. Magoo, I'm fully aware that there are some factors that the Options pilots can, and must, control if they are to prevail in their just demands for industry standards. I've told them plenty of times to dig in their heels and hang in there! Unfortunately, there are always some things beyond our control. For those situations, I wish the pilots well, and hope that things can go their way. In short, I wish them luck, when at the mercy of fate.

 

[Grizz]

I remember now exactly why I stopped visiting this board.

 

[TORCH67]

Ditto Griz! I'm glad we don't let wives post on the 1108 board anymore!uke: