The end of jumpseating?

[relief tube]

Please, someone disprove the rumor that a couple carriers that have CASS will soon not be allowing non-CASS airlines from JSing, even in the back.

Heard that NW and DL, maybee others, as of August will not allow JSers in the back from airlines that don't have CASS.

I'm just assuming that the majority of the regionals are CASS-less, so this would pose a problem.

Hope this isn't the least bit true, but if so, kinda ironic that the thing that should be making JSing easier is actually taking away the oportunity.

Any words heard?

 

[General Lee]

I don't think that is true at DL. By the way, we supposedly start CASS today, on the 26th of July.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[MVSW]

Please, someone disprove the rumor that a couple carriers that have CASS will soon not be allowing non-CASS airlines from JSing, even in the back.

Heard that NW and DL, maybee others, as of August will not allow JSers in the back from airlines that don't have CASS.

I'm just assuming that the majority of the regionals are CASS-less, so this would pose a problem.

Hope this isn't the least bit true, but if so, kinda ironic that the thing that should be making JSing easier is actually taking away the oportunity.

Any words heard?

I dont see that happening. To many pilots commute.

 

[ackattacker]

I dont see that happening. To many pilots commute.

Agreed. This rumor is baseless. Many mainline pilots commute to work on regionals. If the mainline CASS carriers started denying non-CASS regionals, the regionals would reciprocate.

 

[JetSpeed219]

and just so I'm sure, what is CASS???

 

[turbodriver]

Please, someone disprove the rumor that a couple carriers that have CASS will soon not be allowing non-CASS airlines from JSing, even in the back.

Heard that NW and DL, maybee others, as of August will not allow JSers in the back from airlines that don't have CASS.

I'm just assuming that the majority of the regionals are CASS-less, so this would pose a problem.

Hope this isn't the least bit true, but if so, kinda ironic that the thing that should be making JSing easier is actually taking away the oportunity.

Any words heard?

Whew... good thing I'm in CASS then.....

The rest of you better pony up......

 

[turbodriver]

I dont see that happening. To many pilots commute.

The TSA doesn't give a $hit either.

 

[Bart Simpson]

I'm just assuming that the majority of the regionals are CASS-less

How about CLASS-less?

 

[General Lee]

and just so I'm sure, what is CASS???

Jumpseating in the cockpit again, like pre-911. Now you need a company that has proof of employment in the computer, plus a few other things. If the pilot has everything and there is no seat open in the back, the pilot can sit in the cockpit. Verification of employment is what took so long, and some airlines, like DL, have taken longer than others.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BRA]

I am with colgan and express jet left me at the gate the other day. Said my company needs to be CASS. Watched the airplane push out. Never got to speak to the captain, only the gate agent. It was getting close to push time and I didn't want to delay anything. So according to my experience this thread has some truth, unless the gate agent was misinformed?

 

[Wasted]

I am with colgan and express jet left me at the gate the other day. Said my company needs to be CASS. Watched the airplane push out. Never got to speak to the captain, only the gate agent. It was getting close to push time and I didn't want to delay anything. So according to my experience this thread has some truth, unless the gate agent was misinformed?

The gate agent was misinformed.

 

[BRA]

Yeah could be. I was in uniform, nice, and ready to go. Oh well. He had said it was a new policy. They did have seats in the back.

 

[061984]

Should of kicked him in the dinger and run.

 

[248to2.8]

So which regionals are a member of the CASS system? I heard Skyway is, but never from an official source. Anyone know if we can ride up front? Or is there a website to see who can? Thanks!
248

 

[LegacyDriver]

Jumpseating in the cockpit again, like pre-911. Now you need a company that has proof of employment in the computer, plus a few other things. If the pilot has everything and there is no seat open in the back, the pilot can sit in the cockpit. Verification of employment is what took so long, and some airlines, like DL, have taken longer than others.


Bye Bye--General Lee

What about non-CASS air carriers? Still sit in back or barred completely from the Cabin Rider J/S?

 

[Buzo]

Regionals owned by Parent companies that are part of the ATA are CASS eligible. American Eagle and Horizon were the first two regionals thanks to there parent companies.

 

[turbodriver]

The gate agents are only as good as their training. It's been my experience that they are not trained correctly. You would NOT believe the calls I get in dispatch because the gate agents don't know what to do with a jumpseater that is not in CASS.

Heck, I've had bad experiences jumpseating and I AM in CASS. I requested a jumpseat pass and the gate agent input the wrong identifier for my airline. (I was watching her over the counter.) I told her (very politely, I might add) she input the wrong airline code and she wouldn't listen. The system came up, "deny boarding". She would NOT go back and change it. She showed the Captain the "deny boarding" message and the Captain said he can't accept my jumpseat request....and I was DENIED!

idiots.......

 

[Weasil]

An American Airlines captain who was trying to get me on the j/s printed out a whole page from Sabre which showed which airlines were cass and which were not. I didn't keep it but it's in sabre... anyone know the code to retrieve that?

 

[flyboy06]

and just so I'm sure, what is CASS???

The Air Transport Association system, called the Cockpit Access Security System (CASS), is a computer-based system that transmits queries to airline employee databases via an ARINC "proxy" server to positively verify the identity and employment status of pilots asking to use an off-line jumpseat. The responses to those queries are used to either approve or deny a jumpseat rider request.

from http://www.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/ViewAnnDocument.aspx?DocumentID=4252

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The time it takes to read this bubble gum thread of information, one could've emailed thier js coordinator or look at the ALPA site....

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Mesaba and Pinnacle are in cass now.

 

[mckpickle]

I am with colgan and express jet left me at the gate the other day. Said my company needs to be CASS. Watched the airplane push out. Never got to speak to the captain, only the gate agent. It was getting close to push time and I didn't want to delay anything. So according to my experience this thread has some truth, unless the gate agent was misinformed?

Email me any specifics and I will track it down. [email protected] The CASS issue is a moot point since we are not in CASS yet. You should of had no problem however even if it was full since your employment with COLGAN can be verified via SONIC. Another uninformed gate agent.

Steve McKnight
Express Jet
JS chairman

 

[LegacyDriver]

So do non-CASS pilots get to go as Cabin Riders still or will that go away?

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Should of kicked him in the dinger and run.

Haha! That is hillarious. You said "dinger".

Shy

 

[C210drvr]

I work for a non CASS airline. If our pilots starting getting denied in the back then this is gonna be a nasty J/S war. If one of our pilots gets denied riding in the cabin then you can bet the company they were not allowed to ride on will not get on my jumpseat. Flight deck or cabin seat!

C210

 

[LJDRVR]

If our pilots starting getting denied in the back then this is gonna be a nasty J/S war. If one of our pilots gets denied riding in the cabin then you can bet the company they were not allowed to ride on will not get on my jumpseat. Flight deck or cabin seat!C210

Dear God,

PLEASE tell me you are not in command. If you took the time to read this thread, you'd see one instance in which a gate agent improperly denied boarding to a pilot. It so happens the airlines jumpseat coordinator frequents this board and offered to investigate. Now if the rest of us mature, intelligent adults were to follow your thirteen year-old, emotional, knee-jerk reaction, we would deny the next Express Jet pilot who attempted to ride. "nasty jump seat war"?! Are you for real?

Here's the deal: This premise behind this thread is a stupid, unsubstantied rumor. The lazy pilot who started it should have called or e-mailed his or her JS coordinator for the truth instead of posting flame-bait. You are an idiot for taking the flame bait, and so am I for taking you task. Threatening some sort of jumpseat war is immature, unprofessional, inapropriate and misinformed.

My advice to you is to contact your airline's pro standards folks and share with them your vision of petty, misplaced retribution. Maybe they'll straighten you out.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Dear God,

PLEASE tell me you are not in command. If you took the time to read this thread, you'd see one instance in which a gate agent improperly denied boarding to a pilot. It so happens the airlines jumpseat coordinator frequents this board and offered to investigate. Now if the rest of us mature, intelligent adults were to follow your thirteen year-old, emotional, knee-jerk reaction, we would deny the next Express Jet pilot who attempted to ride. "nasty jump seat war"?! Are you for real?

Here's the deal: This premise behind this thread is a stupid, unsubstantied rumor. The lazy pilot who started it should have called or e-mailed his or her JS coordinator for the truth instead of posting flame-bait. You are an idiot for taking the flame bait, and so am I for taking you task. Threatening some sort of jumpseat war is immature, unprofessional, inapropriate and misinformed.

My advice to you is to contact your airline's pro standards folks and share with them your vision of petty, misplaced retribution. Maybe they'll straighten you out.

You're not listening to what the man said.

He responded to my question:

WILL THE PILOTS OF NON-CASS CARRIERS STILL BE ALLOWED TO BE CABIN RIDERS FOR JUMPSEAT PURPOSES?

His response was, if a CASS company denies a NON-CASS company pilot a cabin jumpseat the NON-CASS pilots will respond in kind by denying rides to pilots of said carrier.

I still haven't had my question answered.

WILL NON-CASS PILOTS STILL BE ALLOWED CABIN RIDER PRIVILEGES?

I.E. if a pilot from a non-CASS carrier tries to ride on SWA (who will be a CASS participant) will he be denied a seat in the back?

 

[RP170]

You're not listening to what the man said.

He responded to my question:

WILL THE PILOTS OF NON-CASS CARRIERS STILL BE ALLOWED TO BE CABIN RIDERS FOR JUMPSEAT PURPOSES?

His response was, if a CASS company denies a NON-CASS company pilot a cabin jumpseat the NON-CASS pilots will respond in kind by denying rides to pilots of said carrier.

I still haven't had my question answered.

WILL NON-CASS PILOTS STILL BE ALLOWED CABIN RIDER PRIVILEGES?

I.E. if a pilot from a non-CASS carrier tries to ride on SWA (who will be a CASS participant) will he be denied a seat in the back?

Apparently NW pilots have been telling guys this. A friend of mine said he rode on them about a month ago and the captain said if you weren't in CASS by August 1 or Sept. 1, I believe it was, you will not be allowed to even occupy a cabin seat. This will create jumpseat wars, I'm afraid, if non CASS carriers will not be allowed to ride in cabin jumpseats on NW or whichever CASS carriers take part in this type of activity.

 

[mamba20]

This is going to get really ugly. Stupid TSA going and making life tougher on flight crews again. WE MUST get this bogus agency under control.

The thing thats even sadder is that we are all in the job for the same reason, just different companies. Anyone who commutes knows how much it sucks to miss another night with the family as you watch a plane with plenty of open seats pull away from the gate becuase of politics. Its hard enough now without this stupid CASS system. We should all be trying to help EACH OTHER out rather then talking about jumpseat wars and denied boarding just becuase your bitter. My god. . . get over yourself! Your a real hero man, keep a guy or gal away from family with their precious time off.

 

[TheGreatChecko]

I.E. if a pilot from a non-CASS carrier tries to ride on SWA (who will be a CASS participant) will he be denied a seat in the back?

No, at least on SWA. You will be added as a cabin-only jumpseater. I believe this is true on other carriers, but I am only familiar with what has happened to me on SWA.