The end of jumpseating?

[WMUSIGPI]

Mesaba and Pinnacle are in cass now.

 

[mckpickle]

I am with colgan and express jet left me at the gate the other day. Said my company needs to be CASS. Watched the airplane push out. Never got to speak to the captain, only the gate agent. It was getting close to push time and I didn't want to delay anything. So according to my experience this thread has some truth, unless the gate agent was misinformed?

Email me any specifics and I will track it down. [email protected] The CASS issue is a moot point since we are not in CASS yet. You should of had no problem however even if it was full since your employment with COLGAN can be verified via SONIC. Another uninformed gate agent.

Steve McKnight
Express Jet
JS chairman

 

[LegacyDriver]

So do non-CASS pilots get to go as Cabin Riders still or will that go away?

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Should of kicked him in the dinger and run.

Haha! That is hillarious. You said "dinger".

Shy

 

[C210drvr]

I work for a non CASS airline. If our pilots starting getting denied in the back then this is gonna be a nasty J/S war. If one of our pilots gets denied riding in the cabin then you can bet the company they were not allowed to ride on will not get on my jumpseat. Flight deck or cabin seat!

C210

 

[LJDRVR]

If our pilots starting getting denied in the back then this is gonna be a nasty J/S war. If one of our pilots gets denied riding in the cabin then you can bet the company they were not allowed to ride on will not get on my jumpseat. Flight deck or cabin seat!C210

Dear God,

PLEASE tell me you are not in command. If you took the time to read this thread, you'd see one instance in which a gate agent improperly denied boarding to a pilot. It so happens the airlines jumpseat coordinator frequents this board and offered to investigate. Now if the rest of us mature, intelligent adults were to follow your thirteen year-old, emotional, knee-jerk reaction, we would deny the next Express Jet pilot who attempted to ride. "nasty jump seat war"?! Are you for real?

Here's the deal: This premise behind this thread is a stupid, unsubstantied rumor. The lazy pilot who started it should have called or e-mailed his or her JS coordinator for the truth instead of posting flame-bait. You are an idiot for taking the flame bait, and so am I for taking you task. Threatening some sort of jumpseat war is immature, unprofessional, inapropriate and misinformed.

My advice to you is to contact your airline's pro standards folks and share with them your vision of petty, misplaced retribution. Maybe they'll straighten you out.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Dear God,

PLEASE tell me you are not in command. If you took the time to read this thread, you'd see one instance in which a gate agent improperly denied boarding to a pilot. It so happens the airlines jumpseat coordinator frequents this board and offered to investigate. Now if the rest of us mature, intelligent adults were to follow your thirteen year-old, emotional, knee-jerk reaction, we would deny the next Express Jet pilot who attempted to ride. "nasty jump seat war"?! Are you for real?

Here's the deal: This premise behind this thread is a stupid, unsubstantied rumor. The lazy pilot who started it should have called or e-mailed his or her JS coordinator for the truth instead of posting flame-bait. You are an idiot for taking the flame bait, and so am I for taking you task. Threatening some sort of jumpseat war is immature, unprofessional, inapropriate and misinformed.

My advice to you is to contact your airline's pro standards folks and share with them your vision of petty, misplaced retribution. Maybe they'll straighten you out.

You're not listening to what the man said.

He responded to my question:

WILL THE PILOTS OF NON-CASS CARRIERS STILL BE ALLOWED TO BE CABIN RIDERS FOR JUMPSEAT PURPOSES?

His response was, if a CASS company denies a NON-CASS company pilot a cabin jumpseat the NON-CASS pilots will respond in kind by denying rides to pilots of said carrier.

I still haven't had my question answered.

WILL NON-CASS PILOTS STILL BE ALLOWED CABIN RIDER PRIVILEGES?

I.E. if a pilot from a non-CASS carrier tries to ride on SWA (who will be a CASS participant) will he be denied a seat in the back?

 

[RP170]

You're not listening to what the man said.

He responded to my question:

WILL THE PILOTS OF NON-CASS CARRIERS STILL BE ALLOWED TO BE CABIN RIDERS FOR JUMPSEAT PURPOSES?

His response was, if a CASS company denies a NON-CASS company pilot a cabin jumpseat the NON-CASS pilots will respond in kind by denying rides to pilots of said carrier.

I still haven't had my question answered.

WILL NON-CASS PILOTS STILL BE ALLOWED CABIN RIDER PRIVILEGES?

I.E. if a pilot from a non-CASS carrier tries to ride on SWA (who will be a CASS participant) will he be denied a seat in the back?

Apparently NW pilots have been telling guys this. A friend of mine said he rode on them about a month ago and the captain said if you weren't in CASS by August 1 or Sept. 1, I believe it was, you will not be allowed to even occupy a cabin seat. This will create jumpseat wars, I'm afraid, if non CASS carriers will not be allowed to ride in cabin jumpseats on NW or whichever CASS carriers take part in this type of activity.

 

[mamba20]

This is going to get really ugly. Stupid TSA going and making life tougher on flight crews again. WE MUST get this bogus agency under control.

The thing thats even sadder is that we are all in the job for the same reason, just different companies. Anyone who commutes knows how much it sucks to miss another night with the family as you watch a plane with plenty of open seats pull away from the gate becuase of politics. Its hard enough now without this stupid CASS system. We should all be trying to help EACH OTHER out rather then talking about jumpseat wars and denied boarding just becuase your bitter. My god. . . get over yourself! Your a real hero man, keep a guy or gal away from family with their precious time off.

 

[TheGreatChecko]

I.E. if a pilot from a non-CASS carrier tries to ride on SWA (who will be a CASS participant) will he be denied a seat in the back?

No, at least on SWA. You will be added as a cabin-only jumpseater. I believe this is true on other carriers, but I am only familiar with what has happened to me on SWA.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Are you NOT aware of the reasons behind establishing CASS?? (C'mon you can't be THAT blind!) CASS is a very good system and it serves it's purpose well.

It only takes ONE jumpseater to blow it for the rest of us. I would like to see ALL carriers subscribe to CASS. I simply don't understand why they would choose otherwise. Especially when it's for the good of all aviation.

JM2C

I am told it is a cost issue. Some places don't want or need the added hassle. The pilots at those carriers will just be SOL I guess.

 

[NickASA]

Yeah you guys started it sometime recently, i rode on the 767 with an offline pilot, Air Tran I think it was.

I don't think that is true at DL. By the way, we supposedly
start CASS today, on the 26th of July.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I recently talked to 4 NWA captains. They all said the same thing:

If you're in CASS, you can ride in the NWA jumpseat, ONLY if you're also on the NWA JS list.

If you're NOT on the JS list, you won't ride on an NWA plane, regardless of you're CASS situation.

They recc. that your airline get in CASS, because it made it easier for the gate agents, and you can get in the cockpit if the plane is full-ONLY if you're on the NWA list!

Cliff
PHX

 

[aa73]

An American Airlines captain who was trying to get me on the j/s printed out a whole page from Sabre which showed which airlines were cass and which were not. I didn't keep it but it's in sabre... anyone know the code to retrieve that?

Can't give you any sabre codes, but I'll post the list right now:







AA Reciprocal Jumpseat Agreements
List of Approved Airlines
Last Updated 7/26/05
ABX Air (previously Airborne Express)AirtranAir MidwestAir WisconsinAlaska Air (system-wide/CASS)Allegheny CommuterAllegiant AirAloha Airlines (system-wide)American Trans Air (ATA)America West AirlinesAmerijet Int’l , Inc.Astar Air CargoAtlantic SE AirlinesAtlas AirBig Sky AirlinesBlue Hawaiian HelicoptersCape Air/Nantucket ArlsCaribbean Sun AirlinesCasino Express AirlinesChalks/Pan Am AirbridgeChampion AirChautauqua Airlines (**see note below) </B>Chicago ExpressColgan AirComairCommutairContinental Airlines (system-wide)Delta (system-wide)Empire AirlinesEra AvitionEvergreen International (***see note below)Express One InternationalExpressJet (previously Continental Express)Federal Express (system-wide)Florida GulfFrontier AirlinesGemini Air CargoGreat Lakes AviationGreat Plains/Ozark AirGulfstream InternationalHarbor AirlinesHawaiian AirlinesHorizon Air(CASS)Independence AirlinesIsland AirJetblue(CASS)Kitty HawkMesa AirlinesMesaba AirlinesMidAtlantic Airways (division of US Airways) Midwest AirlinesNorth American AirlinesNorthwest Airlines (system-wide)Omni Air Express, Inc.Omni Air InternationalPace AirlinesPW AirlinesPan American Airways CorpPenAirPiedmont Airlines (system-wide)Pinnacle AirlinesPolar Air CargoPlanet AirwaysPSA AirlinesRegionsAir (**see note below)Ryan InternationalSeaborne AirlinesShuttle AmericaSkyway Airlines/MidwestSkywest AirlinesSouthwest Airlines (system-wide/CASS)Spirit AirlinesSun CountryTradewinds Airlines, Inc.TransmeridianTrans States Airlines (**see note below)United Airlines (system-wide)UPSUSA 3000USAirways (system-wide)World Airways







<LI>Blue indicates carrier with unlimited jumpseat agreement - unlimited jumpseat policy only applies on domestic routes (defined as 50 U.S. states plus U.S. Virgin Islands)
<LI>Green indicates CASS carrier - CASS policy only applies on domestic routes as defined above.











**Trans States, Chautauqua, and RegionsAir operate some of their flights under the American Connection name. Pilots assigned to the American Connection operation are eligible for cockpit jumpseat travel.

AX - Trans States
3C - RegionsAir
RP - Chautauqua











***Evergreen Helicopters is a separate division of Evergreen International. Its helicopter crews are not eligible for jumpseat travel.

 

[Shortapp]

Non ATA airlines will probably be approved for CASS on August 8

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I work for a non CASS airline. If our pilots starting getting denied in the back then this is gonna be a nasty J/S war. If one of our pilots gets denied riding in the cabin then you can bet the company they were not allowed to ride on will not get on my jumpseat. Flight deck or cabin seat!

C210

So why isn't CHQ getting CASS?

 

[RP170]

So why isn't CHQ getting CASS?

I have heard it's a money issue. So I wouldn't count on it anytime soon unless we pay extra in union dues to implement it.

 

[BlackPilot628]

I have heard it's a money issue. So I wouldn't count on it anytime soon unless we pay extra in union dues to implement it.

I agree. I would be willing to bet that most of our pilot group would pay an extra 100 bucks or so a year to be in cass. I know I would.

 

[bertengineer]

Non-cass

I am with a Pt 135 carrier, and this past weekend I ran into a problem for the first time JS in the past 7 months. My carrier has no 2 letter code, we have a 3 letter code. The DL gate agent wanted only a 2 letter code and said that the new computer system would deny me boarding if there was no 2 letter code. I have JS'ed on this system for 2 months now. She got the supervisor, and I was told the same thing. They called the gate agent (CHQ) who said it was fine to send me to the gate (What an angel)!
I know I might be off track here, slightly, since I am not with a 121 carrier, but in relation to the original thread, there is some truth to the CASS-Non Cass issue.