The Delta TA Disappointment... Here it is...

[captain caveman]

Should I be excited about this? Record profits, and we get a contract like this?

I apologize to you Karma. I honestly thought you were spoofing. I am disappointed.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I apologize to you Karma. I honestly thought you were spoofing. I am disappointed.

NO worries, this TA does look like something Tankerclown/outerlimits would come up with.

I am reading more about scope in this TA. Here's some info..

We will have a block hour ratio, which establishes minimum amount of mainline flying relative to DCI flying, and caps the total number of 50-76 seat DCI aircraft. The company will be permitted accelerated access to 76 seat jets, but this can only happen if delta first acquires small narrow body jets at mainline, and a significant reduction in 50 seaters at DCI.

Apparently, under this agreement, access to 76 seaters will be capped at 32 less than current. I'm not sure how all this is going to work out. It's going to be interesting to see how the actual language is written.

 

[General Lee]

Wasn't the "gential" saying something about a 20% DOS raise ?

Are you still dreaming of your TUE/WED/THURs off? Don't worry, with the decrease in 50 seaters and everyone moving over to the 76 seaters, you will get there.

As far as the 20% DOS raise, I guess I was dreaming. There are other parts of the contract I want to look at, and then I will vote. So far it is a NO vote for me.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Jiminmem]

I don't think anyone can defend this contract and I still can't believe they agreed to it. I guess ALPA has given up on Delta and just wants DPA to take over.

 

[Smarta$$]

I don't think anyone can defend this contract and I still can't believe they agreed to it. I guess ALPA has given up on Delta and just wants DPA to take over.

Yes, because DPA will just MAGICALLY get huge raises and B777s for everyone.

How are those USAPA raises coming?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Yes, because DPA will just MAGICALLY get huge raises and B777s for everyone.

How are those USAPA raises coming?

Thats not a fair comparison at all. USAPA could have had a new contract by now. They are delaying on purpose.

A better comparison would be APA. They have for years held strong on scope pay and work rules.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Are you still dreaming of your TUE/WED/THURs off? Don't worry, with the decrease in 50 seaters and everyone moving over to the 76 seaters, you will get there.

As far as the 20% DOS raise, I guess I was dreaming. There are other parts of the contract I want to look at, and then I will vote. So far it is a NO vote for me.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Is the current RJ number 650 cap ? With the new TA is it 450 something 70 seaters ? The math = more seats total. Is that accurate ?

 

[lakemead1]

I guess I missed it, but where does it say that the profit sharing is being looted for these stellar pay raises?

 

[Turtle21]

Thats not a fair comparison at all. USAPA could have had a new contract by now. They are delaying on purpose.

A better comparison would be APA. They have for years held strong on scope pay and work rules.

I'm sorry but pilots talking about unions that delay contract negotiations, WTF.. That is just stupid. Pilots never saw a raise they wouldn't take from management.

 

[xray678]

Overtime flying pay above 85 hours.)

I missed this. So greenslips are gone?

 

[27 driver]

Thats not a fair comparison at all. USAPA could have had a new contract by now. They are delaying on purpose.

A better comparison would be APA. They have for years held strong on scope pay and work rules.

And APA is about to get their asses handed to them in bankruptcy court. Maybe a little give and take might be the way to go. Not saying the DAL TA is a home run but maybe a step in the right direction. Time will tell.

 

[Abernathy]

There's fantasy then there's reality. No company is going to put 20% up front, especially when they are near the top of the heap already.

Unfortunate, considering how much the pilots gave up "up front"..

 

[dbrownie]

So far looks like a f no vote.
We are not in bancruptcy. We are making record profits.
We should be made whole.

 

[Mamma]

Pilots never saw a raise they wouldn't take from management.

So how long has it been since your raise after "winning?"

 

[BentOver]

Is the current RJ number 650 cap ? With the new TA is it 450 something 70 seaters ? The math = more seats total. Is that accurate ?

My math tells me around 2000 more available seats with the 450 76-seaters....

Either way ya slice it, DCI will be flying a greater % of customers than it currently does.. Has anyone at Delta looked at what happens "if" they decide to reduce flying year over year at mainline? Or decide to increase international and reduce domestic.. You'll have DCI carriers doing a greater % of domestic..yippee

Also, what routes will these 76 seaters be flying? I'd bet it'll be longer and longer routes... Routes that could and should have been flown at mainline using an -88 or 737 or DC-9....

Delta let the cat outta the bag 20 years ago, and even with all the posturing, they still haven't learned the lseeon on scope...