The CS response to NJ ammended contract

[gunfyter]

Logic and math vessel....I love it Have to remember that one. Anyone who would argue that you guys don't have a better total package now is certainly in denial. There's always room for improvement at CS but as I said before I do think they're trying...things have only gotten better from the day I came on board...

Here is the thing though... We are locked into what we have now until 2016, in the face face of a looming Global Pilot Shortage. it would not surprse me if we are surpassed shortly with no recourse until the next amendable date.

 

[Hawker dude]

Here is the thing though... We are locked into what we have now until 2016, in the face face of a looming Global Pilot Shortage. it would not surprise me if we are surpassed shortly with no recourse until the next amendable date.

Hey "V". why don't you quit talking so much BS on here?

2016? why don't you explain to everyone what it takes to extend the contract until 2016.

just like you taking a pay cut right? god, it must suck to fly with you.

and let's see, on the falcon, so you paid for your job at NJA when everyone else was hiring. gee I really value your opinion.

 

[gunfyter]

Now why do I get the feeling you don't like me?

 

[windycty]

a lot more people than just those on the falcon paid for their training at net jets. more losers work there.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Here is the thing though... We are locked into what we have now until 2016, in the face face of a looming Global Pilot Shortage. it would not surprse me if we are surpassed shortly with no recourse until the next amendable date.

Sadly, so true. CS will probably eventually step up with payscales $1000 over ours like last time (not because of our payrates, though, just out of the goodness of their hearts ). But that will be it for "bar raising" for anyone until we do it again in 2016 or so.

 

[cush]

I got news for you. Unless you were in the military...you paid for your training. At least all those at Netjets that did, were reimbursed...in spades. Now, the only one still using pay for training is SWA. Go cry over there. Or at least pull your application out of the pile and not support it...That's what I thought.

 

[cush]

a lot more people than just those on the falcon paid for their training at net jets. more losers work there.

Gotta love a snot nosed, ipod wear'in, 1200hr. wonder who just got in the biz...is an expert on issues of aviation. The nineties were a different world son.

 

[cush]

Hey "V". why don't you quit talking so much BS on here?

2016? why don't you explain to everyone what it takes to extend the contract until 2016.

just like you taking a pay cut right? god, it must suck to fly with you.

What's up with the hate'in on a brother! And on a yes voter to boot!!
We need more of this :beer:... and less of this:uzi: .

 

[RCA]

Hey "V". why don't you quit talking so much BS on here?

2016? why don't you explain to everyone what it takes to extend the contract until 2016.

just like you taking a pay cut right? god, it must suck to fly with you.

and let's see, on the falcon, so you paid for your job at NJA when everyone else was hiring. gee I really value your opinion.

What does it take to extend to 2016?

 

[sweptwingz]

Sadly, so true. CS will probably eventually step up with payscales $1000 over ours like last time (not because of our payrates, though, just out of the goodness of their hearts ). But that will be it for "bar raising" for anyone until we do it again in 2016 or so.

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I sincerely hope that CS, Flex, Flops, and everyone else, DOES get a raise!!!! The more companies that push the money bar up, the more critical mass there is for all of aviation to get pay scales up where they belong, and KEEP them there. The entire industry has been in a flat spin regarding pilot income for far too long.

 

[CA1900]

What does it take to extend to 2016?

The short version of what's required if they want to extend it:

• NJA pilots will fly at least 85% of US Owners' international flights, which will require NJI (the large Gulfstreams) to be integrated without a fight.
• Health coverage (at no cost) will be maintained or improved.
• Payscales adjusted each year, in 2013, 2014, and 2015, to the Consumer Price Index (CPI-U).
• 10 more crew bases.

 

[flagshipper]

I just can't believe BS would say we have the overall best compensation package. Just based on the 7on/7off schedule alone NJ pay is signinficantly higher. CS family insurance in 08 will be 374.26 per month while NJ will be free. CS vacation is 1 week for years 1 through 5 and 2 after that while NJ is 2 weeks at first. CS can sometimes get crew meals for 10 bucks but they can't be anything warm while NJ gets 3 a day if on duty. The list goes on. We are assigned a start day of Tuesday, Wed or Thurs from CS with no ability to change while you can bid two or more days at NJ. CS receives no holiday pay while NJ does, CS gets 40 or 23 bucks for a cell phone while NJ issues blackberries. CS does their own flight planning and NJ has a dispatch system. CS only has 25 domiciles and you have to live within 2 hours of the airport while NJ has 100 bases and they don't give a crap where you live. I will not even go into forced OT pay rules because the best you are going to do is get one 1.5 day of pay at CS while it is a lot more at NJ. The one area CS may actually reign supreme is perdiem at 2.30 per hour vs NJs 1.70 but of course you factor in crew meals then NJ is better. Well I hope my interview at NJ goes well

 

[CA1900]

CS can sometimes get crew meals for 10 bucks but they can't be anything warm while NJ gets 3 a day if on duty.

4, actually. May as well aim high if you're trying to get 'em to match as much as you can.

Well I hope my interview at NJ goes well

Good luck!

 

[Stinkbug]

Well I hope my interview at NJ goes well

I hope it does too, bud. Seriously, you deserve to be happy and it doesn't sound like you're all that happy at CS

 

[On Your Six]

I hope it does too, bud. Seriously, you deserve to be happy and it doesn't sound like you're all that happy at CS

After reading flagshipper's factual comments, I am not sure how many CS pilots could be happy either if they are aware of the differences in packages.

I guess that merit-based culture better be well liked because something will be needed to keep attrition levels from skyrocketing...