The CS response to NJ ammended contract

[VVJM265]

NJA bound you mind your buisness we'll mind ours. Just in case you stopped reading after I pointed out your untouchable company could possibly end up like

Aaxico Airlines (1946 - 1976, to Trans [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]International [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color])
Access Air (1998 - 2001)
Aeromech Airlines (1951 - 1983, to Wright Airlines)
Air America (owned and operated by the CIA in SouthEast Asia)
Air America (1980s)
Air Atlanta (1981 - 88)
Airborne Express (1946 - 2003, to DHL)
Air California, later AirCal (1967 - 87, to American Airlines)
Air Chaparral (1980 - 82)
Air Florida (1972 - 84)
Airlift International (1946 - 81)
Air Midwest (1965 - 91, to Mesa Airlines)
Air [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]England[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color] (1975 - 81)
Air Niagara
Air North (1963 - 83, to Brockway Air)
Air South (1968 - 75, to Florida Airlines; 1994-1997)
Allegheny Airlines (became US Airways)
American Overseas Airways
Arista International Airlines
Arizona Airways (1990s)
Aroostook Airways
Aspen Airways (1962 - 90)
Atlantic Coast Airlines (1989 - 2004, to Independence Air)
Bar Harbor Airlines (1971-92)
Boeing Air Transport (1927 - 30)
Bonanza Air Lines (1945 - 68) to Hughes Airwest
Braniff International [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airways[/FONT][/FONT][/color][/color] (1928 - 82 and 1984 - 89)
Britt Airways
Cape Smythe Air (1975 - 2005, to Frontier Flying Service)
Capitol Air Lines (1970s-1980s)
Capital Airlines (1936 - 61, to United Airlines)
Capitol Air (1946 - 82)
Carnival Airlines
Cascade Airways (1969 - 86)
Catalina Airlines (1940 - 69)
Central Airlines (1944 - 67)
Challenge Air Cargo (1978 - 2001)
Chicago and Southern Airlines (1934 - 53)
Chicago Express (1993 - 2005)
Colgan Airways (1971 - 86, to Presidential Airways, revived 1991)
Colonial [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Air [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Transport[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color] (1926 - 30)
Curtiss Flying Service (1929 - 32)
Eastern Airlines (1926 - 91)
Emerald Air (1978 - 91)
Emery Worldwide Airlines (1977 - 2003)
Empire Air (1975 - 84, to USAir)
Flying Tiger Line (1945 - 88, to Federal Express)
Freedom Airlines (2001 - 04, to Mesa Airlines, and resumed operations in October, 2005)
Galaxy Airlines
Global International Airways (1981 - ?)
Golden West Airlines
Great Plains Airlines (2001 - 2004)
Gulf Air Transport (1979 - 1990)
Hughes Airwest (1968 - 80, to Republic Airlines)
Imperial Airlines (1964 - 82)
Independence Air (2004-2006) (ceased operations in 2006)
Key Airlines
Kiwi International Airlines
Lake Central Airlines (1949 - 68, to Allegheny Airlines)
Lakeland Airlines (1980 - 84)
[COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Las [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Vegas[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color] Airlines (1973 - 87)
Legend Airlines (1996 - 2000)
Lone Star Airlines
Mackey Airlines (1957 - 81)
Maddux Airlines (1927 - 29)
Mall Airways (1973 - 89, to Business Express)
MarkAir (1947 - 95)
Marquette Airlines (to Trans World Airlines)
Mid Pacific Air (1981 - 88)
Mid-State Airlines (1964 - ?, to Sentry Airlines)
Midway Airlines (1979 - 81 and 1993 - 2003)
Mississippi Valley Airlines (1969 - 85)
Modern Air Transport
Mohawk Airlines (1952 - 88, to Allegheny Airlines)
Morris Air to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Southwest [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color]
Mountain Air Express
Muse Air to Southwest Airlines
National Air Cargo
National Airlines (1929 - 80, to Pan American World Airways; 1995 - 2002)
National Air Transport (1926 - 30)
New York Air (1980 - 86, to Continental Airlines)
New York Airways (1949 - 1979)
New York, Rio, and Buenos Aires Line (to Pan American World Airways)
North Central Airlines (1953 - 79)
Northeast Airlines (1940 - 72,to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Delta [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Air[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color] Lines)
Overseas National Airways (1950 - 78)
Ozark Airlines (1943 - 86, to Trans World Airlines)
Pacific Air Transport (1926 - 27)
Pacific Alaska Airways (1973 - 86)
Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) (1945 - 86, to USAir)
Pan American-Grace Airways (Panagra) (1928 - 67, to Braniff International Airways)
Pan American World Airways (1927 - 91)
People Express (1981 - 87, to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Continental [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color])
Piedmont Airlines (1940 - 89, to USAir)
Planet Airways (????- June 8, 2005, speculation only at this point in time)
Presidential Airways (1985 - 89)
Pride Air (August 1985 - November 1985)
Pro Air (1997 - 2000)
PBA - Provincetown - Boston Airline
Ransome Airlines (1967 - 86)
Reeve Aleutian Airways (1932 - 2001)
Reno Air (1990 - 99, to American Airlines)
Republic Airlines (1979 - 86, to Northwest Airlines)
Rich International Airways (1971 - 96)
Robertson Air Service
Rocky Mountain Airways (1964 - 86)
Saturn Airways (1960 - 76, to Aaxico Airlines)
Seaboard World Airlines (1946 - 80, to Flying Tiger Line)
Shuttle by United and United Shuttle (1994 - 2001)
[COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Southeast [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color](1992-2004)
Southern Airways (1943 - 79, to Republic Airlines)
Standard Airlines (1926 - 30)
Swift Aire Lines (1969 - 81)
TAT - Maddux Air Lines (1928 - 30)
Texas Air
Texas International Airlines (1944 - 86, to Continental Airlines)
Tower Air (1983 - 2000)
Transamerica Airlines (1948 - 86)
Transcontinental Air Transport (1928 - 30)
TransMeridian Airlines (1995-2005)
Trans International Airlines (1947 - 1986)
TranStar Airlines (1981 - 87)
Trans-Texas Airways
Trans World Airlines (1930 - 2001, to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]American [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/color][/FONT][/color][/color])
Trump Shuttle (1989 - 91, to US Airways)
Universal Airlines (US Cargo Operator 1966-72 to Trans International Airlines)
ValuJet Airlines (to AirTran Airways, 1997)
Vanguard Airlines (1994 - 2002)
Western Airlines (1925 - 87, to Delta Air Lines)
Western Pacific Airlines (ceased operations 1998)
Wien Air Alaska
Wilmington - Catalina Air Line

You do realize that NetJets is NOT an airline, don't you? Not sayin we couldn't go under, but your analogy holds no water.

 

[Mach92]

This just arrived via company email, from the COO:

Last week we were approached by Aviation International News and were asked to comment on NetJet's amended pilot's labor agreement. We responded with the following statement, " CitationShares does not make business decisions based upon what others in the industry are doing. We believe we have established a premium compensation package for all of our employees which includes competitive wages, excellent benefits as well as work rules which we believe are the most attractive in the industry. Our primary focus is providing the best culture and platform for delivering excellent customer service which is the most important goal of CitationShares."

The amended contract is complicated with over 250 pages of documentation and relies heavily on work rule concessions to increase salaries. New approaches to crew scheduling were introduced in this agreement including various tour lengths, fixed vs. variable schedules and multiple bid periods. This new approach requires further study by CitationShares to measure its' potential impact on overall operating efficiencies.

CitationShares remains committed to providing all employees a competitive compensation package including salary and benefits in conjunction with an appropriate work environment. We have a reliable process in place that reviews the compensation programs of comparable companies along with current market conditions to ensure that we remain competitive. At this time, there are no planned changes to our wage scales or work rules.

Let's put this in simple Texan talk "you aint getting sh!t boy" Now get back to work!

 

[Diesel]

Lets see... netjets signs a industry leading contract. Then during the year netjets makes record fiscal numbers..... hmmm doesn't sound like going out of buisness.

CS can go blow on the concessions....

 

[fischman]

CS Pilots

That sucks guys. I was truly hoping you would get a nice raise like in 2005.

Fly safe.

 

[SpaceBall 1]

Hey Rotello....all the pilots were waiting for a response, which management did not have to give. And once we get a response...you go post it on a public board?!!? WTF! Next time we probably won't hear jack squat. You could have tried to paraphrase it a bit. Most pilots I have talked to don't want to do what is necessary to get the NJA pay. Such as....long schedules....weekend starts. I don't. Could it be better...sure, but it ain't that bad.

 

[FastJP4]

While I don't have a dog in this fight, my observation would be the gap between NetJets and all other Frac's is extreme. Options on schedule type (fly more get paid more), basically live anywhere and a far superior benefits package to name a few.

 

[realityman]

Spaceball,

Just curious, what kind of schedule do you guys fly at CS? Not flame bait. I'm just wondering what kind of schedule you're on since you said we work 'long schedules' here at NJA.

For the record, as is commonly known, the most popular schedule is the 7/7. So that's 7 days on.

The 18-day schedule is capped at 7-day tour lengths too, with one exception per every four months that they can extend a tour to 8 days. But only one tour and only once in a four month period. And it's not mandatory. Just a possibility.

On the 15-day schedule the longest tour length is 5 days (but I think with the possibility of only 3 off afterwards). But again, with a maximum of 15 days worked each month.

On the 7/7 we work 182 days/year (minus training events and vacations, so really a lot less). Pretty similar to that on the 15 day schedule. On the 18 day sched it's 216/year (minus training and vacations).

So seriously wondering, how much less do you work than us that our schedules are 'long' to you?

Also want to clarify that we do have weekend starts. But we also have plenty of weekday starts. There are a surprising number of pilots here that prefer a weekend start, so the odds are really good that if you want a weekday start you can get it. Just mentioning it because you make it sound like weekend starts are all we have and/or are forced onto them.

 

[rotello]

Hey Rotello....all the pilots were waiting for a response, which management did not have to give. And once we get a response...you go post it on a public board?!!? WTF! Next time we probably won't hear jack squat. You could have tried to paraphrase it a bit. Most pilots I have talked to don't want to do what is necessary to get the NJA pay. Such as....long schedules....weekend starts. I don't. Could it be better...sure, but it ain't that bad.

Please keep in mind that:

1. I merely posted what will be printed in AIN next week. Not like I gave away the recipe for the secret sauce.

2. I made no comments WRT my feelings on the matter.

But since you sorta asked, frankly, the response scares the cr*p out of me on a number of levels, not the least of which is the part about not making decisions based on our competitions actions, as mentioned by someone else. This is the first truely scary thing I've seen put out by CS in all my time there (and it's quite a bit of time, BTW). The head in the sand attitude put forth in that message is freakin me out, not to mention the implied message that if AIN hadn't asked, they wouldn't have bothered to say anything. Seems very much unlike the CS I have come to know and love. And in all honestly, I really do love it.

Rotello

 

[johnsonrod]

Doesn't make much sense to me. How can CS attract the "best" pilots out there (as they claim in their corporate video) with that pay package? Will the merit-based culture really help to lure those best pilots? Doubt it.

Money talks. Plus, Netjets now has an even better domicile policy than CS and a far better and more expansive fleet. Netjets also pays full healthcare - that's a big deal when you include family members. That's a tough combo to compete against in a tight labor market... I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of junior CS pilots (and maybe a few senior pilots) consider walking...

 

[FLYLOW22]

No company will ever GIVE anything.

CS will now need to be shown that their pilots are worth more either through attrition or an organization drive.