The CS response to NJ ammended contract

[rotello]

This just arrived via company email, from the COO:

Last week we were approached by Aviation International News and were asked to comment on NetJet's amended pilot's labor agreement. We responded with the following statement, " CitationShares does not make business decisions based upon what others in the industry are doing. We believe we have established a premium compensation package for all of our employees which includes competitive wages, excellent benefits as well as work rules which we believe are the most attractive in the industry. Our primary focus is providing the best culture and platform for delivering excellent customer service which is the most important goal of CitationShares."

The amended contract is complicated with over 250 pages of documentation and relies heavily on work rule concessions to increase salaries. New approaches to crew scheduling were introduced in this agreement including various tour lengths, fixed vs. variable schedules and multiple bid periods. This new approach requires further study by CitationShares to measure its' potential impact on overall operating efficiencies.

CitationShares remains committed to providing all employees a competitive compensation package including salary and benefits in conjunction with an appropriate work environment. We have a reliable process in place that reviews the compensation programs of comparable companies along with current market conditions to ensure that we remain competitive. At this time, there are no planned changes to our wage scales or work rules.

 

[RCA]

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[NJA bound]

Read a little up on labor unions, good stuff :beer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=labor+unions&btnG=Google+Search

http://www.unions.org/home/

http://www.union-organizing.com/


http://ibt1108.com/

 

[RCA]

Hey NJA Bound when you become yesterdays News come back with you NJA/IBT1108.ORG chest thumping. Until then you mind your buisness we'll mind ours.

 

[NJA bound]

Hey NJA Bound when you become yesterdays News come back with you NJA/IBT1108.ORG chest thumping. Until then you mind your buisness we'll mind ours.

Stick it where the sun don't shine RCA

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/...d=news_view&newsId=20071210005885&newsLang=en

NetJets Aviation and Teamsters Local 1108 Announce Approved Amendment to their Collective Bargaining Agreement


COLUMBUS, Ohio--(BUSINESS WIRE)--NetJets Aviation and Teamsters Local 1108 are pleased to announce the pilot group approved a major amendment and extension to their collective bargaining agreement on Friday. The NetJets Aviation Pilot Union represents more than 2,600 pilots with 75.7 percent of eligible members voting in favor of the measure; voter participation reached a historic 95.8 percent.
By mutual agreement, Union and Company officials began in late April a process referred to as interest-based bargaining– a style of contract negotiating that is rarely successful in the aviation industry. The parties agreed to an aggressive deadline to ensure focus on completing the measure.
NetJets Inc. Chairman Richard T. Santulli praised the results, saying: “The overwhelming turnout and strong approval of the agreement is a testament to the fact that both sides negotiated in good faith using interest-based bargaining. This agreement would not have been reached without the true spirit of cooperation and dedication Union leadership displayed throughout the process. With this contract, NetJets Aviation offers its pilots career opportunities and a quality of life that are unmatched in the industry. This agreement maintains NetJets’ leadership position and enables us to continue to provide the best service available in private aviation.”
NetJets Master Executive Council (MEC) Chairman Dennis Cotton agreed, “Each side made a genuine effort to reach an agreement from which both would benefit; ultimately, this commitment was central to the effort’s success.” Cotton was similarly pleased with voter participation. “With more than 95 percent of our pilots participating in the referendum, we have gained the kind of survey data that money simply cannot buy,” he said. “This is the truest measure of pilot engagement in their union and the union’s activities.”
The agreement, which was signed late Friday evening at the NetJets Aviation facility, will become amendable in 5 1/2 years; however, a provision was included in the contract that allows for a three-year extension should NetJets meet certain parameters.

 

[RCA]

NJA bound you mind your buisness we'll mind ours. Just in case you stopped reading after I pointed out your untouchable company could possibly end up like

Aaxico Airlines (1946 - 1976, to Trans [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]International [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR])
Access Air (1998 - 2001)
Aeromech Airlines (1951 - 1983, to Wright Airlines)
Air America (owned and operated by the CIA in SouthEast Asia)
Air America (1980s)
Air Atlanta (1981 - 88)
Airborne Express (1946 - 2003, to DHL)
Air California, later AirCal (1967 - 87, to American Airlines)
Air Chaparral (1980 - 82)
Air Florida (1972 - 84)
Airlift International (1946 - 81)
Air Midwest (1965 - 91, to Mesa Airlines)
Air [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]England[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] (1975 - 81)
Air Niagara
Air North (1963 - 83, to Brockway Air)
Air South (1968 - 75, to Florida Airlines; 1994-1997)
Allegheny Airlines (became US Airways)
American Overseas Airways
Arista International Airlines
Arizona Airways (1990s)
Aroostook Airways
Aspen Airways (1962 - 90)
Atlantic Coast Airlines (1989 - 2004, to Independence Air)
Bar Harbor Airlines (1971-92)
Boeing Air Transport (1927 - 30)
Bonanza Air Lines (1945 - 68) to Hughes Airwest
Braniff International [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airways[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] (1928 - 82 and 1984 - 89)
Britt Airways
Cape Smythe Air (1975 - 2005, to Frontier Flying Service)
Capitol Air Lines (1970s-1980s)
Capital Airlines (1936 - 61, to United Airlines)
Capitol Air (1946 - 82)
Carnival Airlines
Cascade Airways (1969 - 86)
Catalina Airlines (1940 - 69)
Central Airlines (1944 - 67)
Challenge Air Cargo (1978 - 2001)
Chicago and Southern Airlines (1934 - 53)
Chicago Express (1993 - 2005)
Colgan Airways (1971 - 86, to Presidential Airways, revived 1991)
Colonial [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Air [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Transport[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] (1926 - 30)
Curtiss Flying Service (1929 - 32)
Eastern Airlines (1926 - 91)
Emerald Air (1978 - 91)
Emery Worldwide Airlines (1977 - 2003)
Empire Air (1975 - 84, to USAir)
Flying Tiger Line (1945 - 88, to Federal Express)
Freedom Airlines (2001 - 04, to Mesa Airlines, and resumed operations in October, 2005)
Galaxy Airlines
Global International Airways (1981 - ?)
Golden West Airlines
Great Plains Airlines (2001 - 2004)
Gulf Air Transport (1979 - 1990)
Hughes Airwest (1968 - 80, to Republic Airlines)
Imperial Airlines (1964 - 82)
Independence Air (2004-2006) (ceased operations in 2006)
Key Airlines
Kiwi International Airlines
Lake Central Airlines (1949 - 68, to Allegheny Airlines)
Lakeland Airlines (1980 - 84)
[COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Las [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Vegas[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] Airlines (1973 - 87)
Legend Airlines (1996 - 2000)
Lone Star Airlines
Mackey Airlines (1957 - 81)
Maddux Airlines (1927 - 29)
Mall Airways (1973 - 89, to Business Express)
MarkAir (1947 - 95)
Marquette Airlines (to Trans World Airlines)
Mid Pacific Air (1981 - 88)
Mid-State Airlines (1964 - ?, to Sentry Airlines)
Midway Airlines (1979 - 81 and 1993 - 2003)
Mississippi Valley Airlines (1969 - 85)
Modern Air Transport
Mohawk Airlines (1952 - 88, to Allegheny Airlines)
Morris Air to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Southwest [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR]
Mountain Air Express
Muse Air to Southwest Airlines
National Air Cargo
National Airlines (1929 - 80, to Pan American World Airways; 1995 - 2002)
National Air Transport (1926 - 30)
New York Air (1980 - 86, to Continental Airlines)
New York Airways (1949 - 1979)
New York, Rio, and Buenos Aires Line (to Pan American World Airways)
North Central Airlines (1953 - 79)
Northeast Airlines (1940 - 72,to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Delta [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Air[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] Lines)
Overseas National Airways (1950 - 78)
Ozark Airlines (1943 - 86, to Trans World Airlines)
Pacific Air Transport (1926 - 27)
Pacific Alaska Airways (1973 - 86)
Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) (1945 - 86, to USAir)
Pan American-Grace Airways (Panagra) (1928 - 67, to Braniff International Airways)
Pan American World Airways (1927 - 91)
People Express (1981 - 87, to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Continental [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR])
Piedmont Airlines (1940 - 89, to USAir)
Planet Airways (????- June 8, 2005, speculation only at this point in time)
Presidential Airways (1985 - 89)
Pride Air (August 1985 - November 1985)
Pro Air (1997 - 2000)
PBA - Provincetown - Boston Airline
Ransome Airlines (1967 - 86)
Reeve Aleutian Airways (1932 - 2001)
Reno Air (1990 - 99, to American Airlines)
Republic Airlines (1979 - 86, to Northwest Airlines)
Rich International Airways (1971 - 96)
Robertson Air Service
Rocky Mountain Airways (1964 - 86)
Saturn Airways (1960 - 76, to Aaxico Airlines)
Seaboard World Airlines (1946 - 80, to Flying Tiger Line)
Shuttle by United and United Shuttle (1994 - 2001)
[COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Southeast [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR](1992-2004)
Southern Airways (1943 - 79, to Republic Airlines)
Standard Airlines (1926 - 30)
Swift Aire Lines (1969 - 81)
TAT - Maddux Air Lines (1928 - 30)
Texas Air
Texas International Airlines (1944 - 86, to Continental Airlines)
Tower Air (1983 - 2000)
Transamerica Airlines (1948 - 86)
Transcontinental Air Transport (1928 - 30)
TransMeridian Airlines (1995-2005)
Trans International Airlines (1947 - 1986)
TranStar Airlines (1981 - 87)
Trans-Texas Airways
Trans World Airlines (1930 - 2001, to [COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]American [/FONT][COLOR=yellow! important][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Airlines[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR])
Trump Shuttle (1989 - 91, to US Airways)
Universal Airlines (US Cargo Operator 1966-72 to Trans International Airlines)
ValuJet Airlines (to AirTran Airways, 1997)
Vanguard Airlines (1994 - 2002)
Western Airlines (1925 - 87, to Delta Air Lines)
Western Pacific Airlines (ceased operations 1998)
Wien Air Alaska
Wilmington - Catalina Air Line

 

[flyipilot]

The only thing that scares me about the CS statement from management is in the first paragraph.

"CitationShares does not make business decisions based upon what others in the industry are doing. "

That is insane and false. It would send shivers up my spine if I worked there. I am not bashing the pilots in anyway. They should be paid as much as they are willing to fight for. But, if my company did not pay attention to the competition and did not MAKE decisions based on EVRYTHING my competition is doing, then my company is doomed! The long list of failed/merged airlines above proves this. Every industry from soft drinks to fast food to retail examines their competition very closely in order to make the right choices and set themselves apart.

Now, I understand NJ new pay may not be something CS management cares about but, they will. Give it time.

 

[Crobar]

Now, I understand NJ new pay may not be something CS management cares about but, they will. Give it time.

Give it time, I know several very irate CS pilots. I don't think CS owners are in for a happy new year

 

[Crobar]

I heard a two star on the radio a minute ago

 

[realityman]

RCA,

Personally, I really don't care what CS does or does not do with your compensation package. And if you're happy, then great!

But I'm not seeing what your list has to do with anything. Are you saying that NJA could one day go extinct? If so, so what? That could be said about ANY company, in aviation or otherwise. Certainly don't need a long list to prove that. Heck, under the right circumstances even SWA, FedEx, or UPS could go TU.

One thing that IS certain, is that a well-run company with a good business model and happy employees will survive longer than other companies whose business model isn't so good or whose employees are pissed off all the time.

I'm also wondering if your list is somehow a slam against unions? If so, doesn't seem to make your point. The vast majority of the companies on your list weren't brought down by greedy labor unions. Most of them were simply poor management/poor business model/crappy product/shaky financing/shady practices.

Not saying you need a union over there. I have no idea what pilot morale is like there. Again, don't care. Just pointing out that your list doesn't seem to back up any potential points you were trying to make.