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Sorry, I looked up your hero's bio. He was associated with the John Birch Society & he was a longtime apologist for European fascism. He may be an old "liberal" ie. libertarian, but that does not make the man any cleaner about his obviously racist world views.
Where did you look it up... in comic book or Mother Jones?

Repeating the same thing over and over again still does not answer my question. Both the military and Obamacare receive Tax Dolllars. So once again why is a program that directly benefits civilians considered socialistic while the military is doing the same but somehow that type of spending is different. I for one see my Tax Dollars forcibly misspent on unnecessary and illegal wars while taking care of all citizen's health preventively through public access is somehow seen as evil. Both budget items are paid by Federal Tax Dollars. They are the same except obviously in your mind, therefore I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why?
Not the same...
General Welfare vs Individual Welfare ...

Military spending provides for the general welfare. It does not redistribute wealth from some persons to other persons. It is not benefiting any one individual at the expense of others. Military spending benefits all of us equally.

ObamaCare redistributes my money to other people. That's individual Welfare aka Charity. It benefits some individuals at the expense of everybody else.

That is stealing.
 
Using tax dollars I send to the Fed to support the military benefits me as a US citizen as they protect our country and my family. I’m fine with that.

Using tax dollars to provide other citizens with health care, food stamps, extended unemployment benefits (99 weeks?), etc. does not benefit me or my family. Not saying these programs shouldn’t exist, but the expansion of these programs to where they are today burns my ass. They were meant to be safety nets, not a way of life.
 
What does this have to do with CitationAir?
 
Military spending provides for the general welfare. It does not redistribute wealth from some persons to other persons.

I think Dick Cheney and David Lesar would disagree with that. They're millionaires many times over thanks to military spending.
 
I think Dick Cheney and David Lesar would disagree with that. They're millionaires many times over thanks to military spending.

...and the members of the military, defense contractors, the pension funds that invest in defense contractors, unions and their members who work building military systems, etc. etc.
 
Using tax dollars I send to the Fed to support the military benefits me as a US citizen as they protect our country and my family. I’m fine with that.

Really they do. I agree with that.

However the fact that the US military establishment outspends (with mine and your Tax Dollars) the next 20 largest military countries combined by a factor of 10x has nothing to do with protection and everything to do with greed and centralized economic planning (socialism??) benefiting only the very few. If this was happening outside the Pentagon most Americans would be outraged but since it's cleverly wrapped in a veneer of patriotic flag waving, it gets a free pass every time.

Using tax dollars to provide other citizens with health care, food stamps, extended unemployment benefits (99 weeks?), etc. does not benefit me or my family. Not saying these programs shouldn’t exist, but the expansion of these programs to where they are today burns my ass. They were meant to be safety nets, not a way of life.

Not benefiting you and your family? Ever considered how much higher the crime rates would be if these programs did not exist? I think lower crime rates do benefit all of us in society.

Ever tried to live on those benefits? I have; was raised by a single mom who lost her job several times. Not exactly a comfortable lifestyle, but without those benefits and programs, we would have become homeless and starved and she would have never been able to complete her degree which allowed her (and her family) the chance to solidly climb into the middle class. She worked hard all her life to support her kids and keep us off the streets. I hope you never have to experience that kind of need but maybe the next time this comes up you could at least judge those folks who are a little less harshly because you really have no clue as to the actual circumstances of their lives.
 
Thread has been offically hijacked...we now return you back to the CitationAir disscussion.

What discussion? All "right" thinking individuals here who are so anxiously anti union have convinced themselves that CA is over and done with because of those evil pinko mafiosi running the Teamsters.

Bet you Dollars to Donuts, none of them have ever lifted a finger themselves to help make CA a better place other than maybe volunteer for overtime while their brothers and sisters with lower seniority are getting furloughed.

All for one and one for one... right? :puke:

Just sayin..
 
Where did you look it up... in comic book or Mother Jones?
Nope, googled him, found link to the Wall St. Journal, you know that really leftist leaning paper. :D


Not the same...
General Welfare vs Individual Welfare ...

Actually it is the same. It's only your opinion that one benefits all while the other benefits only one. It's your personal bias, nothing more.

Military spending provides for the general welfare. It does not redistribute wealth from some persons to other persons. It is not benefiting any one individual at the expense of others. Military spending benefits all of us equally.

Agreed, reasonable military spending does do that! However grossly unreasonable overspending on the military industrial complex like we do in the US these days does redistribute wealth in a major way. This is why the Halliburtons, Lockheed Martins and Boeings or our world are doing so well despite a slow economy. It definitely benefits some individuals disproportionately at the expense of all the others. You just chose to believe (contrary to the facts) that it benefits all equally.

ObamaCare redistributes my money to other people. That's individual Welfare aka Charity. It benefits some individuals at the expense of everybody else.

That is stealing.

Yes you're right again. (referring to the first half of post here) ObamaCare does all that and more! It makes access universal but still allows private interests to benefit by providing the insurance and healthcare. It redistributes all of our money, not just your own.

However, it's not charity and it's certainly not stealing, what rhetorical nonsense! Having healthier Americans at an overall lower cost will increase productivity of our Economy over the long term, that benefits us all. Every modern 1st World country has come to that conclusion except for the USA. If we hope to compete with the ever more powerful Chinese we better wake up and do, not only what is right, but also what is more cost effective.

Sorry bro, you have not answered my questions about how one type of Federal Spending is different from another because you cannot unless you intertwine it with your personal prejudices. Misusing political words like "socialism" only muddy the water and amp up the anxiety, preventing meaningful exchanges of ideas. Thank goodness there were enough other voters in this last election who saw through all of that and voted for their own better interests despite all the noise.
 
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