The Costa Citationair

[OHGOON]

When this happens you will be in better position as a non union worker. This organizing effort is the main reason we are in this position. There is no integration in fact I've heard FLOPs is trying the same thing. The NRTW is no different than the national mediation board who are run by left wing liberals. If we get the votes which we have over 50 % cards as we speak they will use every loophole as to not let the pilots majority voice be heard. The NRTW is only advising I am doing this all on my own. Again I have no problem with legitimate questions and discussion. The infantile name calling shows a persons intelligence.

I have been a union employee,I have sat on union councils and have been a union employer. I know how they work and if you think they have your best interest at heart, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. As for the comment
About right wing corporate interests, who so you think pays the bills here.

Salivate,

One indicator of intelligence by a so called native speaker may be inferred by a basic command of the written language. Looks like you're drooling all over yourself in that department.

Sallyboy, if you have the cards why are we not voting already? Looks like more of the same empty posturing you love to regale others with. Unfortunately, your reputation for braggadocio precedes you.

You're so in need of management validation that you are willing to sell your colleagues down the river to get it. Sad that you are not able to see that you are being used. A textbook example of the "Useful Idiot"

 

[OHGOON]

Alright, Sal, here's your chance. Explain in the greatest detail exactly how YOU are going to save MY job. I don't mean use lies and rumor. Spell it out.

Funny, how he never takes anyone up on what you offered here to him again.

Facts are not something he deals in much, hence the silence I guess.

 

[gret]

OMG! Opportunity for useful debate...or just noise?

 

[GooseHZ]

Sal,

Is FnH paying you now? LOL.......from what i know about you is that you care about Sal and only Sal. Run back to your Mngt bros and tell them how effective you have been and how your saving CA from being sold. Good man.....cant wait to see you in DFW. Free beer starts at 5.....im sure there are open chairs outside.

 

[Salaviat]

Ohgoon Oghoon Oghoon you are wearing me out. Again identify yourself I would love too have a beer with you, outside of JFK. I guess your not man enough to step out from behind your Avatar. Call me when you do. This is my last post I have important things to do.

CIAO

 

[OHGOON]

Ohgoon Oghoon Oghoon you are wearing me out. Again identify yourself I would love too have a beer with you, outside of JFK. I guess your not man enough to step out from behind your Avatar. Call me when you do. This is my last post I have important things to do.

CIAO

If you think you can just run and claim to have "important things" to do whenever you are challenged, good luck to you. How are you going to convince me if you don't' engage me? You need my vote and not the other way around...

I don't need your beer! All I need to know is how you are going to save my job by abandoning the only real legal protections I have right now. Your silence on any specifics is the problem and questioning my manhood because I'm not dumb enough to out myself on FI is not helping that either.

Bottom line, you are well known as a management stooge. You have no credibility... You can't even take a little bit of heat without running. Come to think of it, you fit right in with the rest of 3 AM Lane.

BTW: Just curious, what exact kind of Union Employer were you? Care to put your money where your mouth is for a change? Or is substantiating your claims not important enough for you either?

 

[GooseHZ]

Sal: you guys are meanies!! Im going home to tell my maw!

Us: Well......Bye.

 

[Salaviat]

At least You know who I am. Lets talk moron

 

[Salaviat]

IRS OK just found out who you are

 

[OHGOON]

IRS OK just found out who you are

You wish bro...

 

[OHGOON]

BTW Sallyboy,

your very smart and considered responses really makes me want to send you my card...NOT!

Talk about delusional.

 

[GooseHZ]

poor Sal

Sal,

You just proved to the world your a LIAR. Now run along son.....the Adults are busy.

 

[The Dude Abides]

When this happens you will be in better position as a non union worker. This organizing effort is the main reason we are in this position. There is no integration in fact I've heard FLOPs is trying the same thing. The NRTW is no different than the national mediation board who are run by left wing liberals. If we get the votes which we have over 50 % cards as we speak they will use every loophole as to not let the pilots majority voice be heard. The NRTW is only advising I am doing this all on my own. Again I have no problem with legitimate questions and discussion. The infantile name calling shows a persons intelligence.

I have been a union employee,I have sat on union councils and have been a union employer. I know how they work and if you think they have your best interest at heart, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. As for the comment
About right wing corporate interests, who so you think pays the bills here.

As expected, my original question remains....how are YOU going to save MY job?

 

[outerfix]

Merger Policy

This conversation is going nowhere. On a different note, does anyone know what Teamster merger policy is? How about rumors on the FLOPS meeting? Hot stock tips? Anything besides constant bickering?

 

[FRACTRASH]

OHGOON, you sound like a child. So, only your inside knowledge of the aviation industry is the Holy Bible. Get over your self! I'm sure, instead of a good argument, you'll just find a miss spelled word. Your like the F@@ing grammar police when you have no better argument.

Take Sal up on his offer, call him off the record and talk it over like a Man. He doesn't bite. If and when you do that, then maybe progress will be made. Until then the Teamsters are just another version of Obama. He's sinking the Country and the Teamsters are just sinking with him.

 

[Praetorian]

Hey Fractrash,

I've always wondered. Is that avatar a picture of you beating your wife/girlfriend?

 

[WheresRocky]

Democracy in action.

Sad to see this once great company down this low. Keep up hope, there may still be a chance.

Seems someone is very afraid of having a vote. Let the Democratic process take its proper course, bring it to a vote. Also sad to see the Pirhanas taking bites out of each other as the ship continues to take on water.

Sad too, cause, used to be those who fought for the right of folks to vote were considered patriots. Now, not so much, according to this thread anyway.

Vote or not, my advice is to brush up on your swimming skills. Best wishes.

 

[Smooth Cruz]

I hear through the grape vine the company is not booking charters past november, anyone else?

 

[OHGOON]

Hey Fractrash,

I've always wondered. Is that avatar a picture of you beating your wife/girlfriend?

Nah that's just him proving how manly he fancies himself to be...similar to his pride about not being able to put together a grammatically coherent English sentence.

 

[OHGOON]

Sad to see this once great company down this low. Keep up hope, there may still be a chance.

Seems someone is very afraid of having a vote. Let the Democratic process take its proper course, bring it to a vote. Also sad to see the Pirhanas taking bites out of each other as the ship continues to take on water.

Sad too, cause, used to be those who fought for the right of folks to vote were considered patriots. Now, not so much, according to this thread anyway.

Vote or not, my advice is to brush up on your swimming skills. Best wishes.

Rocky,

There was a vote and the Teamsters were voted in despite of millions of Dollars being wasted by management on a bunch of dirty tricks. The current sad state of affairs are completely due to the near total incompetence and greed of our managers.

The boys who stuck out their collective necks organizing the pilot group were and are patriots, what Sallyboy and a few other misguided souls are doing can only be compared to Benedict Arnold.

Want proof? He has been challenged to explain himself again and again in detail but he refuses to do so. Answer of course is simple, he can't because he has NOTHING concrete to offer. Sal's vapidly vague promises amount to nothing more than asking all of us to voluntarily give up our life vests for a leaky old set of swim goggles because the underwater marine life invisible above the surface is just too pretty for words...

Our democratically elected MEC with the help of our Negotiation Team have already won us the legal right to be represented during any disciplinary hearing with management. We also have someone willing and able to represent us if and when we merge with someone else. It makes zero sense to give any of that up now that we may be faced with a possible buyout by a third party.

All that Sal will accomplish is guaranteeing a staple is in our future. Anyone falling for this incredibly misguided nonsense now is truly a lost soul.

Oh, lest I forget, for our little wife beater buddy fractrash only,...Obama has nothing to do with it.

 

[GooseHZ]

Sal, Frac got OWNED!....

 

[FRACTRASH]

Now I'm a wife beater! Did I just turn back the clock 25 years. I't feels like the childish nonsense that went on in High School. When there's another view that differs from your own, you always resort to name calling. If you represent what the Teamsters are all about and I believe you do, who in their right mind would want to be apart of such an organization?

Their is a connection between Obama and organized labor, especially the Teamsters. How do you think the Laws that favor a Union got put in place. Like a No vote is a voter for you guys, really! That sounds fair. Hell, if it wasn't for that alone we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[OHGOON]

Their is a connection between....???

There is a connection vs it's their connection... Let me help: http://www.diffen.com/difference/Their_vs_There

(...there, who said you can never learn anything useful during their FI browsing time? )

I was going to try to point out that Obama was not yet born when in the 1930's all those laws that favored railroads' management "got put in place"...but what's the point of even attempting rational conversation with someone who continuously demonstrates his utter lack of command of even his own language...never mind knowledge of the facts or any kind of historical perspective.

You and Sallyboy make quite a team. Redefining the concept of low information voter, priceless if it weren't so sad for our pilot group...I'll bet that neither of you even got the Benedict Arnold reference? I'll give you a hint, he did not manage Obama's campaign...nor does he work for the Teamsters...

Oh btw: "Now I'm a wife beater!" vs "Now I'm a wife beater?" Punctuation is not one of your talents either would be my guess, or are you trying to emphasize that you are proud that we found you out? LOL!

 

[X-rated]

It's hard to believe pilots who are, if their lucky going to be bought by someone else, really considering abandoning every hard earned legal right they can bring to bear in that situation for a cocktail of vague and unsubstantiated promises and threats.

I believe you meant they're, or they are... oops..

 

[gret]

Not to dwell on the matter but...I'm not sure the punctuation is correct with this statement-

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"I'll bet that neither of you even got the Benedict Arnold reference?"

Doesn't get close to damage the has been done when some use mute versus moot...or heaven forbid...moat.

 

[Sparse]

Meanwhile, what's going on at citation air?

 

[Praetorian]

So, the usual anti union suspects show up to defend the anti union, barely literate, drunk poster, wife beater guy?

Come on, choose your battles. This guys not worth splitting hairs over.

He's a minor player. At best.

Plus... Ogoon did legitimately own him.

 

[OHGOON]

I believe you meant they're, or they are... oops..

OOPS is right! Nice to know that there is always a way to be brought back down to earth... Guess I had it coming, doesn't change a thing though when it comes down to the Union or no Union at CA.

It would be adding insult to injury if we voluntarily gave up the last bargaining chip we have left just because some of us cannot separate ideology from reality. Which part of at least there would be someone fighting for our seniority rights vs having no rights what so ever is not clear to anyone reasonable during a SLI?

Anyone new would have to deal with us as one group vs just being at their mercy as individuals.

 

[OHGOON]

Not to dwell on the matter but...I'm not sure the punctuation is correct with this statement-

"I'll bet that neither of you even got the Benedict Arnold reference?"

Doesn't get close to damage the has been done when some use mute versus moot...or heaven forbid...moat.

or to the damage that has... vs "to damage the has..." Karma is a bitch as X-Rated pointed out to me earlier...

 

[X-rated]

So, the usual anti union suspects show up to defend the anti union, barely literate, drunk poster, wife beater guy?

Come on, choose your battles. This guys not worth splitting hairs over.

He's a minor player. At best.

Plus... Ogoon did legitimately own him.

Praetorian, I've made an extra effort not to pick on you lately, but this response is beneath you. You can't make that big of a deal about the proper use of "there, their, and they're right after you make the same mistake and not expect to be called on it. Even OHGOON says it's fair.

OHGOON obviously writes well. I think he can handle it.