Thanks United! Southwest increases Love Departures

[Chest Rockwell]

Ask any airport manager about which airline pays tts bills. Practically every airline except SWA has fallen way behind followed by bankruptcy, sometimes multiple times. They get to keep their gates. I would call that special treatment!

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You tell them Bill


I am also sick of how the Southwest pilots always look at me ,smile and say "hi"


I realize I Am a second class pilot and I should be treated as such. Thanks to the DAL pilots who always look the other way when I or any of my crew walks past them .

It sounds to me like you have an inferiority complex that could use some couchtime.

If your day is spent roasting over whether or not someone says "hi" to you...you got a lot of problems.

I say hi to all pilots in the terminal....unless they are Southwest! JOKE...throttle back Bubba

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ask any airport manager about which airline pays tts bills. Practically every airline except SWA has fallen way behind followed by bankruptcy, sometimes multiple times. They get to keep their gates. I would call that special treatment!

Then again ask those same managers which airline basically built their airport from the ground up almost 90 years ago....meanwhile Herb was doodling on a napkin while DFW was an infant and all the other airlines were paying all the bills. You are welcome

 

[FlyinGuy]

What I believe is there is no such thing as a free lunch. For you, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. SWA does have a unique skill and that is to avoid "most" direct competition with other airlines. There's no letter or article to back this up. We and everyone else see it every day. Kudos for SWA. The point is when things like DAL being striped of gates and SWA pulling out of IAH and years later having a terminal built south of town, this also doesn't need literature to back up the obvious.

DAL has to leave Love because of the "agreement". Why do you think that VA left DFW? Why did AT give up the DFW gates after they were bought?

DAL could try and keep gates at both airports, but according to Flop once a law is signed it can never be challenged!! Then again, it might only be SWA that is not allowed to lobby for change.?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I cannot see a valid point there. Should there be an entry fee to get into the airline biz for those who weren't around on 1925?

It is just a fact of life. A company that is managed well and pays its bill on time will likely get better treatment than one that is poorly managed and behind on its rent.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Oh really Chest?

Ancient history....look at the latest profit sharing statements? Nobody "is behind on their rent" and nobody gets better treatment from an airport because of something a decade earlier.

Glad the Bankruptcy code is written so airlines and pilots like you can brag (to anybody who will listen) about it like your airline is a trailblazer.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

A Southwest Pilot, a Vegan, and a crossfitter walked into the bar today...how do I know? Because they told everybody who would listen by the first minute in the door.

I was impressed

 

[Ex737Driver]

A Southwest Pilot, a Vegan, and a crossfitter walked into the bar today...how do I know? Because they told everybody who would listen by the first minute in the door.

I was impressed

Oh crap. Now that's funny.

 

[outerlimits]

A Southwest Pilot, a Vegan, and a crossfitter walked into the bar today...how do I know? Because they told everybody who would listen by the first minute in the door.

I was impressed

I am impressed on how early you start your drinking at a bar .


I guess you like to say it Past 11 AM somewhere


And that's if your on EST.

 

[The Prussian]

If DAL is tightly controlled and limited you can thank Jim Wright. In his blatantly anti-competitive ammendment to the Air Transportation Competition Act of 1979 which ironically was produced to promote competition in air transportation. Under the cover of darkness without any notice, hearings, or the opportunity for public comment or informed debate, Wright attached an amendment to the law banning any airline from engaging in interstate air commerce from Love Field.

The Senate refused to go along, and forced a compromise known as the 1980 Wright Amendment to the International Air Transportation Competition Act which crafted the final language all are familiar with.

The repeal legislation is what artificially limits Love to 20 gates. The 2001 master plan for Love called for 32 total gates. With 32 gates there would be plenty of room for all willing entrants to Love. instead Love has 37% less gates thanks to Jim Wright. The repeal legislation of Wrights anti-competitive amendment again produces artificial constraints on Love to protect DFW from normal competition.

Again, even in repeal, the Wright Ammendment artificially impedes growth of ANY airline at Dallas Love Field.

I agree...and IMO, too much emphasis is placed on the competition between American and Southwest, rather than between Tarrant and Dallas counties. What is lost is Fort Worth and Tarrant county's insistence on DFW straddling Dallas and Tarrant county lines in order for Fort Worth to capture roughly half the tax revenue generated from airport operations. Attempts to thwart Southwest at Love failed in the courts, so little wonder Jim Wright of Fort Worth tried to severely limit Southwest's potential siphoning of tax revenue back into Dallas county via Love Field operations.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Oh really Chest?

Ancient history....look at the latest profit sharing statements? Nobody "is behind on their rent" and nobody gets better treatment from an airport because of something a decade earlier.

Glad to hear you point out that Southwest doesn't get special treatment from airports 'cause of who we are. Perhaps you might point that out to Flopgut.

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

I agree...and IMO, too much emphasis is placed on the competition between American and Southwest, rather than between Tarrant and Dallas counties. What is lost is Fort Worth and Tarrant county's insistence on DFW straddling Dallas and Tarrant county lines in order for Fort Worth to capture roughly half the tax revenue generated from airport operations. Attempts to thwart Southwest at Love failed in the courts, so little wonder Jim Wright of Fort Worth tried to severely limit Southwest's potential siphoning of tax revenue back into Dallas county via Love Field operations.

Good post. The two cities had to go along with DFW. Ft Worth could not opt out. FTW is the key stakeholder that has lost the most. It was hardly frivolous for Wright to do what he did, and frankly he could have been more restrictive. That was at a time when the CAB TAC deregulation Texas and Uncle Sam were overlapping. And SWA slipped through the cracks.

Today, the FAA states you have to have a "functional relationship" with a municipality. Apparantly it's been interpreted in some places to mean secondary airports' gates should be common use, or have plenty of common use gates. Why the hell that wasn't what was done with DAL in the first place, I don't know. Other than the obvious of course: protect and aid SWA, all these years.

 

[Flopgut]

Ask any airport manager about which airline pays tts bills. Practically every airline except SWA has fallen way behind followed by bankruptcy, sometimes multiple times. They get to keep their gates. I would call that special treatment!

Walmart pays its bills too.

 

[Flopgut]

I cannot see a valid point there. Should there be an entry fee to get into the airline biz for those who weren't around on 1925?

There is. Sometimes it's $, but not always. You might have to build more gates than you want to. Sometimes it's what you do in a community as an employer. Sometimes it's pain and anguish. In any case, youve been on a deferred payment plan. I wouldn't wish you any of the pain and anguish, but this free ride BS in Texas has got to stop!

 

[redflyer65]

Walmart pays its bills too.

I love it in people turn up there nose at Walmart.

Only 4 out of the 12 most richest people in the world on that list and a revenue of 500 Billion dollars annually.

Definitely not a success story but carry on Flop with your re-writing of history.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Good post. The two cities had to go along with DFW. Ft Worth could not opt out. FTW is the key stakeholder that has lost the most. It was hardly frivolous for Wright to do what he did, and frankly he could have been more restrictive. That was at a time when the CAB TAC deregulation Texas and Uncle Sam were overlapping. And SWA slipped through the cracks.

Uh, sorry, Flop but what exactly has Ft Worth actually lost? Ever? Please tell us specifically.

DFW Airport is one of the largest and busiest in the entire world, and is a HUGE friggin' source income for both Dallas and Ft Worth--collectively in money spent by travelers in the airport and surrounding area hotels/restaurants, hundreds of millions in wages paid to tens of thousands of employees who work at the airport and spend their money at home in those two cities, along with other ancillary income (rental cars, etc., etc., etc).

Today, the FAA states you have to have a "functional relationship" with a municipality. Apparantly it's been interpreted in some places to mean secondary airports' gates should be common use, or have plenty of common use gates. Why the hell that wasn't what was done with DAL in the first place, I don't know. Other than the obvious of course: protect and aid SWA, all these years.

Uh, it was done at Dallas Love in the first place, Flop--I can't imagine why you don't know, other than your continued head-in-the-sand intransigency on the situation. Well, that and your unwavering belief that the entire universe colludes to protect and favor Southwest, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Up until very recently, there were literally dozens of unused gates at Dallas Love, available for use by ANY damn airline who wanted to use them. Southwest used 16 gates, AA and CO used two each, sporadically or subleased. The rest of the gates sat empty for decades, because no airline wanted them. None.

It's only been recently that anyone has actually given a crap at all about any of this--when American Airlines forced an artificial limitation of 20 gates total to protect their overall Dallas monopoly. Southwest still used the same 16 damn gates that we used for decades, but now you cry foul and say we should give some of them up to be "fair"? WTF?! Where was your outrage when American limited them for no reason, other than their own greed? Why don't you lobby to eliminate that stupid and arbitrary limitation? Then there'd be plenty of gates for everyone who wanted some.

Oh, I know--then you wouldn't be able to blame Southwest. Bummer for you, Flop.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

There is. Sometimes it's $, but not always. You might have to build more gates than you want to. Sometimes it's what you do in a community as an employer. Sometimes it's pain and anguish. In any case, youve been on a deferred payment plan. I wouldn't wish you any of the pain and anguish, but this free ride BS in Texas has got to stop!

Free ride?

Always paying your bills, employing hundreds if not thousands of locals in each community, giving back to that community in other ways (RM houses, other charities, volunteer work), not to mention greatly stimulating and expanding air travel among ALL airlines in those communities (documented by the government)... that's your idea of a free ride?!

Good God Flop, you're so overcome with irrational hatred, that you say the stupidest things. How does your head not explode?

Bubba

 

[The Prussian]

Good post. The two cities had to go along with DFW. Ft Worth could not opt out. FTW is the key stakeholder that has lost the most. It was hardly frivolous for Wright to do what he did, and frankly he could have been more restrictive. That was at a time when the CAB TAC deregulation Texas and Uncle Sam were overlapping. And SWA slipped through the cracks.

Today, the FAA states you have to have a "functional relationship" with a municipality. Apparantly it's been interpreted in some places to mean secondary airports' gates should be common use, or have plenty of common use gates. Why the hell that wasn't what was done with DAL in the first place, I don't know. Other than the obvious of course: protect and aid SWA, all these years.

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[BILL LUMBERG]

Always paying our bills.....love it!

Thats a great Slogan Spirit warriors....sounds like somebody is running scared dragging out old digs! Garys gonna drag you through the same courts we did in spite of your contract demands....

NAW...that wont happen....like I said in 2000 when Delta was best compensated and SWA was still not paying pilots for getting into holding patterns

 

[outerlimits]

Always paying our bills.....love it!

Thats a great Slogan Spirit warriors....sounds like somebody is running scared dragging out old digs! Garys gonna drag you through the same courts we did in spite of your contract demands....

NAW...that wont happen....like I said in 2000 when Delta was best compensated and SWA was still not paying pilots for getting into holding patterns

Are you saying SWA is going to lie for bankruptcy ?

I have not followed the stock , has it been crashing ? By chance if the stock is doing well, could you be setting yourself up for a lawsuit with false rumors ?