Terrorists Almost strike Again.

[blzr]

Does anyone know the demographics of the people arrested?

I can probably guess, but haven't seen any mention in the media.


C-21

British nationals, all of Pakistani origin... {MSNBC, about 30 minutes ago}

 

[stonewall]

How could you tell?? Did he wear traditional muslim garb? Did he face east every hour?

Guys, I'm as anti-PC as any of you. But, I also see the need to have a comprehensive security program. This means screening everyone. Lowering the screening based on some preconceived bias (ie prejudice, not the bad 1960s kind) will only allow a method for the bad guys to circumvent our security. IOW, look they don't check woman like they do men, well then give the device to your wife. How about the American Taliban? Would you have given him a pass at the checkpoint? He was a young white man from a relatively affluent American family. But his friends were Al Qaeda. Oh yeah, he was a muslim. We could have gotten him when he turned towards Mecca.

Ask any law enforcement agent...profiling works. It's not always based on race, either. Is it foolproof? Of course not. However, when you work with limited resources, you need to focus those resources on the MOST likely suspects. You can't discount others, obviously, but you SHOULD put emphasis on the people who are the primary perps at this point.

When Norwegian women begin strapping bombs to themselves, we can start strip searching leggy blondes, but until then let's focus on the Muslim male.

Of course not all Muslim males are terrorists...but lately the vast majority of terrorists and terror suspects have been Muslim males. Pointing this out is not racists, anti-muslim, jingoistic, or hate filled. Just truthful.

 

[blzr]

WOW, the new just reported that Pakistan's secret police led MI-5 to the suspects and is looking for more conpirators within Pakistan.

I'm glad one Muslim country is trying to help the good guys out.

 

[stonewall]

So if it's only one guy, it's ok to kill hundreds of people????

It's not about being PC. It's about being safe. Would it have mattered to you if your family was in the WTC vs. the Murrah building??? Would that have been any different? Does it matter if one nut with a rifle shoots you or a religious extremist with a bomb blows up your airplane? or abortion clinic? Are you any less dead?

Grow up. Where did I say "it's okay" to kill anyone? By your logic, the thug that knocks off the liquor store and kills someone in the process is the exact same as Mohammed Atta. Did they both kill people? Yes. What was the difference? Motive. Acting in concert. Willingness to do it again on a mass scale.

Your attempts to be open-minded and sensitive to all the Muslims out there are noble, but naive. Someone acting on behalf of AQ, or Hezbollah, or Hamas, or JI, or any of the myriad groups out there driven by islamic fanaticism IS different than the random nutjob out there, and the means of dealing with each SHOULD be different.

 

[HoursHore]

We could make the Muslims wear little pieces of Flair like a yellow crecent on thier chest.

Just Kidding.

I don't know the answer any more than any body else, but I think we need to stop thinking of this as a religious issue, and treat the mad mullahs and extremest mosques as politcally treasonous entities rather than a manifestiation of religious freedom. Like we do with abortion clinic bombers.

 

[81Horse]

... When Norwegian women begin strapping bombs to themselves, we can start strip searching leggy blondes, but until then let's focus on the Muslim male. ...

Dream on, MAG.

Seriously. There is a growing population of young Muslim women involved in suicide bombings and other terrorism. I have no doubt the Brits have adjusted their profiles accordingly.

I'm thinking we should contract with the Brits for our Homeland Security needs -- just like we do for air traffic control services, container port management, oil production facility operation, and so on.

 

[starchkr]

WHOA HERE FOLKS!!!! Let's get back to the whole strip searching "leggy blondes" thing...screw the Muslim talk, blondes are more important!!!!!!!!

 

[Indy refugee]

Grow up. Where did I say "it's okay" to kill anyone? By your logic, the thug that knocks off the liquor store and kills someone in the process is the exact same as Mohammed Atta. Did they both kill people? Yes. What was the difference? Motive. Acting in concert. Willingness to do it again on a mass scale.

Your attempts to be open-minded and sensitive to all the Muslims out there are noble, but naive. Someone acting on behalf of AQ, or Hezbollah, or Hamas, or JI, or any of the myriad groups out there driven by islamic fanaticism IS different than the random nutjob out there, and the means of dealing with each SHOULD be different.

Again, I'm not trying to be open minded. If killing all the Muslim males from 17-40 would make us safe then off with their heads. But it won't.

As for moral equivalents, Tim McVeigh and Mohammed Atta are exactly the same!! And you can throw in the Unibomber and Eric Rudolph. BTW, philisophically I believe abortion is wrong and the federal government is overreaching in it's power, but McVeigh and Rudolph are still terrorists.

 

[uba757]

INDY, If you read a little instead of just stating things without really knowing anything about them, you would of informed!!!!!!!!!!!!! yourself about how MR. MOHAMED (THE SNIPER) had vowed to kill infidels and/or AMERICANS because of the RELIGIOUS thing for many years, HE PREACHED HATRED AND THE DISTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OF US. This is an American that converted to ISLAM as an adult, he was not born a Muslim, imagine how this people that are thought this hatred from birth just despise us. This people have only one way of resolving anything. They have always just killed anyone that does not agree with them, they have done this for thousands of years and not you, me or anyone and I mean anyone else is going to change that in them. The way I see it (and it is really sad) they will destroy anything and anyone no matter how many people get hurt or killed in the name of their religion. UBA757

 

[J32driver]

Dream on, MAG.

Seriously. There is a growing population of young Muslim women involved in suicide bombings and other terrorism.

And from what I've read, the women are more dangerous than the men. We all know a woman is wired a bit different than a man. I read an article on terrorism in Isreal years ago talking about female bombers. It said that if you intercept a male prior to detenation, you might be able to reason with him to stop. If you catch a female prior to detenation, you'd better shoot her dead because she WILL blow herself up.

And as an added side note on censorship in America: A couple years ago, a suicide bomber was shot dead in an Israeli market by armed forces. Thats what was reported in America. The truth.... the armed force was a young Israeli mother who pulled out her sidearm to stop the bomber.

Just goes to show that a well trained woman will not hesitate. (Let the jokes begin)

 

[AC560]

but I think we need to stop thinking of this as a religious issue, and treat the mad mullahs and extremest mosques as politcally treasonous entities rather than a manifestiation of religious freedom. Like we do with abortion clinic bombers.

It is a religous and cultural war though and denying that isn't going to fix anything. The leader of Iran isn't a mad mullah he is a politican advocating an Islamic state from Spain to Indonesia and the destruction of Israel. Their schools teach hate for the West and praise those who attack us. The only way this situation ends is for at some point one set of morals to triumph over the other, I hope our morals win.

 

[Indy refugee]

INDY, If you read a little instead of just stating things without really knowing anything about them, you would of informed!!!!!!!!!!!!! yourself about how MR. MOHAMED (THE SNIPER) had vowed to kill infidels and/or AMERICANS because of the RELIGIOUS thing for many years, HE PREACHED HATRED AND THE DISTRUCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OF US. This is an American that converted to ISLAM as an adult, he was not born a Muslim, imagine how this people that are thought this hatred from birth just despise us. This people have only one way of resolving anything. They have always just killed anyone that does not agree with them, they have done this for thousands of years and not you, me or anyone and I mean anyone else is going to change that in them. The way I see it (and it is really sad) they will destroy anything and anyone no matter how many people get hurt or killed in the name of their religion. UBA757

Dude, I'm plenty informed!!! I'm not arguing that we are not at WAR with muslim extremists. We certainly are. Further, I would say that we are seeing the beginning of WWIII. A global war between the Judeo-Christian nations of the world and the muslim extremists of AQ, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Unfortunately, only Tony Blair, George W. Bush, and Israel see this. Notice I didn't say the US and UK. It seems the people of these great nations are blind to the conflict. 1 in 3 Americans believe that the US government was involved in the WTC attacks.

Where our views diverge is on how to handle this at the airport. We could profile muslims males between 17-40 and brush over the grandmas, women children and all the other harmless demographics. But this would simply lead to an attack by a recruit to AQ such as John Allen Muhammed or John Walker Lindh. As someone pointed out above, they are increasingly using women. Therefore, in order to prevent a future attack we must screen everyone.

As a uniformed crewmember, it is annoying to be subjected to TSA screening everytime I go to work, sometimes multiple times per day. But, I understand that if uniformed crewmembers were given preferential screening, it might become an avenue of attack for AQ. Four years at Embry-Riddle and a job at a regional and they're in. Remember, AQ is very patient and they have money. So I accept the screening as a necessary evil to keep us safe.

That is all I am saying. I agree that we are at war with muslim extremists. I agree that if we don't destroy them, they will surely destroy us. I just don't want to allow them to get by our security because we are looking for turbins and towels, while they wear jeans and a ballcap.

 

[stonewall]

Again, I'm not trying to be open minded. If killing all the Muslim males from 17-40 would make us safe then off with their heads. But it won't.

As for moral equivalents, Tim McVeigh and Mohammed Atta are exactly the same!! And you can throw in the Unibomber and Eric Rudolph. BTW, philisophically I believe abortion is wrong and the federal government is overreaching in it's power, but McVeigh and Rudolph are still terrorists.

Such a drastic measure would make cause Islamic terrorism to plummet, but we'd kill a lot of innocents in the process. I'm not saying throw all muslim men in prison as they try to board airplanes...you just pay a little more attention to THAT specific population, because whether you care to acknowledge it or not, that is where the current threat is likely to originate. Notice I did not say "Arab" anywhere in there. Profiling can be done without regard to race.

McVeigh was radical who committed an act of terror. Also an isolated act of terror. Just like Rudolph and the unibomber. Atta's act certainly is NOT isolated. It was part of a growing and coordinated war against the West, being committed by like minded individuals. There is a difference here, and it's fairly frightening that there are Americans like yourself out there that refuse to see that.

Motivations do matter. As abhorent as McVeigh's and Rudolph's crimes were, they were not part of a long-term and coordinated strategy to bring western civilization to its knees.

 

[stonewall]

Dude, I'm plenty informed!!! I'm not arguing that we are not at WAR with muslim extremists. We certainly are. Further, I would say that we are seeing the beginning of WWIII. A global war between the Judeo-Christian nations of the world and the muslim extremists of AQ, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Unfortunately, only Tony Blair, George W. Bush, and Israel see this. Notice I didn't say the US and UK. It seems the people of these great nations are blind to the conflict. 1 in 3 Americans believe that the US government was involved in the WTC attacks.

Where our views diverge is on how to handle this at the airport. We could profile muslims males between 17-40 and brush over the grandmas, women children and all the other harmless demographics. But this would simply lead to an attack by a recruit to AQ such as John Allen Muhammed or John Walker Lindh. As someone pointed out above, they are increasingly using women. Therefore, in order to prevent a future attack we must screen everyone.

As a uniformed crewmember, it is annoying to be subjected to TSA screening everytime I go to work, sometimes multiple times per day. But, I understand that if uniformed crewmembers were given preferential screening, it might become an avenue of attack for AQ. Four years at Embry-Riddle and a job at a regional and they're in. Remember, AQ is very patient and they have money. So I accept the screening as a necessary evil to keep us safe.

That is all I am saying. I agree that we are at war with muslim extremists. I agree that if we don't destroy them, they will surely destroy us. I just don't want to allow them to get by our security because we are looking for turbins and towels, while they wear jeans and a ballcap.

I completely agree with this post. That's why we don't target Arabs only. While most muslims happen to be Arab, not all muslims are, and I realize this. And even the Saudis that took part in 9-11 were wearing business casual on the planes; they didn't "look" like terrorists from an old Chuck Norris flick.

Further, it's almost too late if they get to the airport. There are muslim communities in America (specifically Michigan) that absolutely know who among them is preaching hate, terror, and radicalization. If American muslims have a bitch b/c they're being "targeted," they need to cull the herd a bit. If a group doesn't handle its own problems in America, someone will usually step in and do it for you. That ain't a good thing.

 

[uba757]

Magnum, if they get rid of some of the herd, then who is going to own and run all the convenience stores and dry-cleaners. If you get rid of just 10% of the Muslims in the US then you are going to have a great deal of convenience stores, dry-cleaners closing down. UBA757

 

[stonewall]

Magnum, if they get rid of some of the herd, then who is going to own and run all the convenience stores and dry-cleaners. If you get rid of just 10% of the Muslims in the US then you are going to have a great deal of convenience stores, dry-cleaners closing down. UBA757

C'mon, man, everyone knows it's Hindus that own the convenience stores...ask Joe Biden.

 

[FN FAL]

We should send them off to a farm and harvest their organs and use them as blood donors. There's lots of American lives that need organ transplants and blood donations.

Sounds like you want a little Muslim up in ya, maybe you should be a ranch hand, then you could change your screen name to "fanny farmer".

 

[uba757]

No Magnum, the Hindus are the ones taking US jobs back to India. UBA757

 

[FN FAL]

You chose your questions well. Here's a couple you missed.


Who bombed a federal office building in Oklahoma, killing men, women and children in a day care center?

1) Muslim extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.
2) Japanese veterans still angry over WWII.
3) Royal Canadian Mounted Police
4) White American veteran of Irish decent

Who bombed an abortion clinic killing women and children?

1) Muslim extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
2) Osama bin Laden
3) Hasidic Jews posing as pregnant teenagers
4) White christian extremists

Who killed about a dozen people using a sniper rifle in the DC area?

1) Muslim extremists between the ages of 17 and 40
2) Billy the Kid
3) Wyatt Erp and Doc Holliday
4) Black US military veteran and young teenager

Who contaminated several bottles of Tylenol?
Who attempted to bomb the Olympics in Atlanta?
Who was responsible for countless acts of terrorism is the UK and Ireland?
Who killed JFK? A former US Marine
Who shot Ronald Reagan?
Who shot at Gerald Ford? A middle aged woman


Maybe your pattern is a little harder to detect now.

Not only do terrorist come in many varieties, but as soon as you decide a certain group, say old white males, the terrorist will immediately seize on that opportunity to recruit them for their operations.

You forgot about that psycho Jarhead that shot a bunch of people from the tower on a University in Texas. It takes a village to raise a sniper.

 

[81Horse]

... the Hindus are the ones taking US jobs back to India. UBA757

In fact, I believe it is the greedy bastages at the highest levels of US corporate management who are sending jobs to India.

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